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The prices aren't even that good anymore.

That's because they have been forcing suppliers/sellers to raise their prices.

Good. I like Joe but they need some fresh ideas in there.

Look, I'm an atheist so I don't believe in evil. That being said I'm not 13 so I also don't have a hard-on for Ayn Rand to the point where I get enraged when other people talk about self interest.

I never said anything about it being "inherently evil". You're putting words in my mouth. You'd realize that if you actually took some time to cool off.

In the context of D&D, how self-interested a character is determines their moral alignment. It's a loose description of a mechanic.

No one is making claims about the real world.

Listen. You need to go out and touch some grass. No one is making a moral argument here. We're debating a game's alignment system and how to understand it. In terms of the game's systems, self-interest is evil. Devils are extremely self-interested and do nothing for the greater good or general welfare.

Why not? It's not a moral argument.

I disagree. Lawful or Chaotic describes ones adherence to rules; either those of society or their own moral code. Chaotic would describe one who does not adhere to any rules or guidelines; nothing is off limits except that which would violate their alignment on the Good-Evil axis. Neutral would mean that one would bend those rules to achieve a particular outcome. Lawful is going to stick to the book; they're very conservative.

Are you really making the argument that the vast majority of Americans are evil?

With regards to the D&D alignment chart? Sure. I don't know what kind of weird moral gotcha you're attempting here but there's not one to be found.

If given a choice between upsetting the balance and saving a druid they'll maintain the balance. Healing a wound or something isn't moral decision.

Their government agencies still used a lot of them.

No. Their behavior is self interested. That's Evil. Didn't matter how they envision it or whether they have a personal code. If their personal code places the needs of others and the general welfare in a place of high importance then they are Good. Chaotic - Lawful merely describes the methods they're willing to pursue to achieve those goals.

No. Neutral only cares about the cosmic or universal good. The welfare of others or ones self doesn't factor into it. Many druids are Neutral because the balance of nature (the natural order) is the motivation behind their actions.

Nope. Neutral would be a tendency to act in the interests of the cosmic or universal order. Neither ones self nor the general welfare of others is given priority.

C/N I've always read in was the person person who doesn't care about the means or the ends, just that the result benefits me or my accomplices

Neutrality is more like doing what it takes to achieve a cosmic state. It places no value on ones self or welfare of others. What you're describing is Chaotic Good.

Chaotic Neutral just means that there are no rules for how to achieve this state. One choice is as good as any other. The more rules, the more Lawful.

C/E would be the sort that is exemplified by the social climbing boot licker

This one might be right depending on how you envision this character. There are certain rules to high society and if their actions are constrained by any of them then they can't be Chaotic. If they only have like... one rule then maybe they're Neutral.

Agreed. The scale of good to evil has always been along the lines of self interest. The more self interested you act the more evil you are.

1 based indexes.

Rust

So arrest the guardsmen

Except that the only ships they've been attacking until US war ships showed up were ships heading in and out of Israel. I don't know how that's any of our business.

Yeah that's because it's murder...

That's because DDG gets its results from Bing.