chetradley @ chetradley @lemmy.world

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Because her mentality is that animals' lives have no value beyond the utility they bring to humans. It's a surprisingly common one.

Do you want to be vegan?

Or just put all your porn into PowerPoint presentations.

AI?? I thought they looked weird because they were aliens.

So naturally you're against environmentalism because of climate activists that destroy property, block traffic, etc?

If someone who's a dick to me is against child labor, I'm not going to all the sudden be pro-child labor. Like wtf are you talking about lol.

Lol. The vast majority of vegans don't do anything like that, including the guy in the video linked, but the ones who do are the only ones you hear about.

If certain activists discredit veganism in your mind, would you say that climate activists who do similar things also discredit environmentalism as a whole?

Who's wrecking havoc?

Which response(s) came across as very toxic? I see six responses to your parent comment and they all seem quite civil.

Many vegans speak extensively about these topics, especially since they're used as a favorite "gotcha" by animal-ag supporters.

Now you know!

You can be opposed to unethical treatment of animals and child slave labor. If someone tells me they are against slave labor, my response isn't ""buying products made by slaves is unethical" ~said by someone who eats factory farmed meat". It doesn't have to be one or the other.

I don't think people go vegan because they want a moral high ground, at least I know I didn't. People do it because they genuinely believe it's the right choice to make. And yes, having that choice is a luxury not afforded to everyone, but vegans are no more entitled than the people around them who also have the luxury of being able to choose not to support animal agriculture, but do so anyway.

You say people don't want to have a discussion while at the same time calling people who might actually engage in a discussion "self-righteous assholes". This leads me to believe you may not actually be looking for a good faith conversation.

I live in the US, so depending on where you live these may or may not be available to you.

Cheese for me depends on the application:

On a pizza, I like Miyokos liquid mozzarella. I'll often get a chain pizza with no cheese, add a little on top and bake for a bit.

Melted in a quesadilla, etc., I'll usually go for daiya.

Cold on something like a burrito bowl, I like Violife or Vevan. Violife also makes a great feta.

For parmesan and blue cheese dressing, I'll usually go with Follow Your Heart.

For cheese sauces and mac and cheese, I like to make cashew cheese sauce.

My favorite non dairy for drinking and baking is oat or soy, I just like to make sure it's not sweetened.

I started making my own yogurt in an instant pot with cheap Asian grocery store coconut milk and vegan cultures, and it's fantastic.

Hope this helps!

Worker: "Well, I got laid off from the job I've been working for the last 20 years, but at least I have the skills I picked up along the way!"

Company: "Actually, those belong to us too."

If there is I couldn't find it. I dug through the menus before I made this post.

Not just the men with good aim...

Isn't this standard for journalism, that you can't technically say a crime was committed until they've been found guilty in court?

I've noticed that too lol. People generally don't like to have their beliefs challenged, especially if it's about something they enjoy doing. Hell I know I struggled with it when considering giving up animal products and dairy specifically, but I'm so glad I did!

Yeah, because buying eggs at the supermarket is bushcraft survival training

I think we have fundamentally different outlooks on animal agriculture. It seems like your position may be based on the idea that animals used for milk and eggs are treated well, live long natural lives and are killed at the end of their lives when they would have died naturally.

I wish this were the case.

Animals used for milk and egg production live a small percentage of their potential lifespan. The effects on dairy cows of repeatedly being impregnated, giving birth, producing enormous quantities of milk, and going through the cycle again takes a harsh toll on their bodies. It's normal for a dairy cow to only endure 4 or 5 cycles of this before they literally cannot physically continue, at which point they're no longer profitable and are sold for slaughter. Similarly for egg-laying hens, the stress and mineral demand of ovulating multiple times a day means that they rarely live past two years. For the males of these breeds, it's even worse. Male chickens of the egg-laying breeds are mostly useless to the industry, so they are killed immediately after hatching, usually by way of an industrial macerator or gas chamber. Male calves might live to 8 months to be slaughtered for veal, but if there's no market for veal they are frequently killed immediately after birth.

Modern egg laying chickens and dairy cows are man-made breeds far removed from their natural wild counterparts. Hens trace their lineage to red jungle fowls, who naturally will have a single clutch of roughly 12 eggs once a year. Selective breeding has increased this amount to once a day, sometimes even more. The extreme pressure on their reproductive system frequently causes health issues like egg yolk peritonitis, cloacal prolapse, and osteoporosis. Similarly with modern dairy cows, bovine mastitis, udder sores and infections are common due to our selective breeding to maximize milk yields. Even otherwise healthy animals face grueling lives because they're part of a species that was selectively engineered for one purpose: profit.

Modern animal agriculture is overwhelmingly inhumane, which is why livestock animals are almost always excluded from animal abuse legislation. Ignoring the above points about how they've been selectively bred and are worked to exhaustion, investigations into egg and dairy farms have found absolutely shocking treatment. If you have the stomach for it, they're worth watching to understand the scope of animal abuse that is commonplace in our society.

Here's a good reference on the sentience of animals: https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/our-campaigns/sentience/#:~:text=Animal%20sentience%20means%20that%20animals,always%20know%20what%20they%20are.