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My point is that Beijing’s policies follow a logic that has been shaped by struggles against foreign powers. Therefore, while you may sympathize with Taiwan and Hong Kong protestors, you shouldn’t assume the PRC is acting in a belligerent or hypocritical manner.

I kind of suspect things were always too big and complex for one person to address but the rampant individualism of our society obscures that history.

Hong Kong is actually a perfect example for what I’m talking about. It was a concession China made to the British after losing the first Opium war. As such, it was always going to be a sore spot for the PRC. On top of that, the British only introduced a pretty limited form of democracy to Hong Kong shortly before it was supposed to relinquish control over the territory. The PRC saw this as an attempt by the British to continue interfering with the right for Chinese self determination. They believed the British were intentionally making it more difficult for the PRC to integrate Hong Kong into its existing political structures. After the handover, the PRC took extreme offense at pro democracy protestors using the old colonial flag for Hong Kong. That was because they perceived it as a call for further foreign interference in Chinese affairs.

Even so, it’s important to understand that the PRC views continued US support of Taiwan as part of a long standing policy to interfere with China’s right to self determination. Remember, the PRC came into existence after China was dominated by foreign powers for the better part of a century. If there is to be a peaceful resolution, as all parties proclaim to want, this perspective can’t be casually dismissed.

Taiwan literally exists because the US intervened in the Chinese civil war to protect the retreating KMT.

So if a known liar makes an unfalsifiable claim you think people should just take it as fact? That’s absurd.

You point to poorly sourced telegraph articles and you expect to be taken seriously?

Personally I trust the UN report more since I think it has less of a bias than orgs in the US or UK. A lot of accusations of what would amount to genocidal seem to be more conjecture than anything. The UN report paints a picture of an antiterrorism campaign that used mass surveillance and mass detention to achieve its goals. It’s not great but it’s also not genocide.

There are like a dozen happening right now and it’s quite exhausting coming up with plans to help as many as I’m capable of helping.

I feel like this too sometimes. I try to remind myself that I’m just one person and it’s okay if I don’t make much of an impact.

I think you’re confusing two different tendencies.

Small parties that do not have a social base can become insular. If they do not realize that their limitations are set by external factors they can turn inwards and become cult like. You see that a lot in Maoist groups in western countries where there is no peasant class their brand of politics can mobilize.

On the other hand successful socialist parties that come to take power end up having to defend it from various reactionary forces, both external and internal. Being put on the defensive causes these parties to seek resiliency through centralized decision making.

That said, I don’t think either of these tendencies are unique to Marxist parties. Also, Marxism is meant to be scientific so learning from past experiences is key to avoiding the mistakes of other Marxists.

I believe a UN investigation found human rights abuses but nothing that comes close to genocide.

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Vague missives? You’re the one who literally said,

Why is it that you folks constantly shit on everything while offering zero idea of specifically what it is you want?

Then I told you what the people you referred to as “you folks” specifically want and you’re suddenly incredibly defensive. Get a grip.

Geez I was literally just answering your question. You don’t have to get so bent out of shape because I told you something specific that people actually want.

People want the US to stop sending bombs and weapons to Israel. There is no indication the democrats plan on endorsing such a proposal anytime soon. Seeing as it is it likely the only way to stop the carnage Israel is inflicting on Gaza, anything short of that just comes across as empty words.

How do you think that would even work? Do you have any clue how absurd that sounds? It’s like John Birch Society level paranoia.

Lol wow you really went retro with that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68X8o0S7vJc

I just don’t believe you can type it.

What does that mean? Do I not have fingers? Omg am I an AI stuck in a simulation and my code literally prevents me from typing out some magic spell for no discernible reason?! 😲

Or maybe you started this thread by taking swings at windmills and as a consequence I just don’t take you seriously enough to feel the need to prove anything to you. I’m amazed you haven’t considered that.

But hey I get it. That tinfoil hat sure is shiny and you wear it well. It would be such a shame if you decided to take it off.

Okay so am I right to assume you’re just looking for a reason to justify your dismissive smug attitude? Because that’s genuinely what I think you’re doing.

China has plenty of right wingers and social conservatives living there. They just can’t organize for their beliefs outside of the existing political structures.