cakeistheanswer @ cakeistheanswer @lemmy.dbzer0.com

Attempting solidarity pragmatically.

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I laughed a little because I'm not sure I ever grew out of the expectation of everything being a little broken. You are going to learn so much you could have done without.

On a more sober note I'm not sure adding a business model fixes the problem anymore.

If we paid for our anonymity like toll roads or subscriptions we box out people who can't afford it. Commodity level information isn't likely to be decreasing in value any time immediately.

If equitable access is also on the list, I don't see anything but regulation and taxes getting you there. Just look at the steam store prices outside the first world and you have an idea for how poorly it could go.

It's a hurdle out of the way, and I've got some tempered enthusiasm as long as ComEd doesn't touch it.

Unfortunately any construction is going to have a long enough tail the opportunity to grift off this one will outlive JB. Maybe we defy gravity for once in Illinois.

Hopefully healthcare.

The entire body of issues from the ad supported model are legion and documented by people better than I.

My point to wikipedia is it's a charitable model with substantial overhead. The time of the dev is the product here, there is no overhead beyond the play store scrape.

He can work for what he wants, but he's shutting where I eat.

I'm here on the fediverse because ads are poison.

Knowing my neighbors are swigging more of that shit doesn't make me feel any better.

It's just evidence it's a gold rush.

I wasn't expecting an ideologically motivated project by any means, but his focus is on the diminishing parade of users he's got from the previous app and not where he's sending them.

I have to admit I'm totally soured.

Serving ads is not cool, and specifically poisoning the Lemmy instance with all the problems of tying near permanent content to an ad ID is negligent.

No you won't convince me he had to to make a living, or do you not use wikipedia.

If you think ads are non intrusive we have different definitions.

If any selection of the free content network I'm a part of isn't showing me the content I want it's an intrusion.

There are umpteen services that run on donations, telling yourself ads are necessary is the same deal with the devil as the public Internet.

There's an option in your users settings to hide bot posts. From what I remember from my biggest instance all feed It also didn't seem to be too many different bots, just muting the Lemmit bot took care of most of it.

We still haven't really sussed out whether the dominant model is going to be general or specific focus instances, or even brought whether niche boards want to just be in charge of the content and not the users, since your credentials are good everywhere you're federated.

Right now your 'all' feed is a combination of all the various places users on your instance have trawled, but they're not totally the same everywhere.

We could see curated instance feeds with some instance muting from admins that make it function like a public RSS, per user even if it gets that granular. Skies kind of the limit once you understand it's limited to insecure communication, the most anonymity you have here is in a crowd.

I'd just like to have an honest conversation about the minimum standards every human being is entitled to, and then deliver and expand that, to everyone. These days I'm not picky how. The Nordic model is fine I guess, but it's going to make compromises, and those aren't always good ones. For instance I don't think capital had any business being tied to necessities like food, but money is still the easiest way to ration it. UBI would be a decent start.

Im afraid technical models are in short supply, but if you want a philosophical model it's the fundamental orientation towards positive social obligations I'm after. I can't find too many recent examples, they tend to emerge out of conflicts. For one I'm sure doesn't work everywhere due to unique circumstances check out Rojava, the grannies carry out patrol with AKs because that's what their precarious society demands. The podcast 'the women's war' was fascinating.

It's funny you bring up the phone company, because it's a great illustrator. It connected a country with subsides (sometimes over barbed wire), but in the end anything but it's original purpose got locked behind bell labs iron grip until it was broken up. We wouldn't have the modern Internet without both of those things happening, along with some Captain crunch whistles. Not every construction benefits from being totally institutionalized forever and ever amen.

The ideal is that everyone is fed, clothed, housed, receives medical care and is educated I'm totally open at this point on the how, all I know for certain is capitalism didn't have the answer despite the greatest wave of prosperity the modern world has known.

Does not help the movement most inclined to wrap themselves in a flag just stormed the capital.

I think the triggers are likely to die down as the CEOs gradually stop sawing at their own genitalia.

What you have here is a start, but the barriers like having to find all the niches through searching mechanics that send you to a website and back to a client are always going to be a sticking point. There's not much support on any client to just get a list of communities on the instance, much less a different one.

If they come down or the instances centralize enough that it doesn't matter we'll see some growth by enticing other users because it'll be functionally the same thing to them. But there are some definite hurdles in getting here, and there's no incentive to advertise (read $) other than grassroots.

George can have it back when he finishes winds of winter.

(and I recind this if the postumous publishing conspiracy is real, ain't wishing for no man's death)

Entirely acceptable! I don't take issue with the concept of money, it's all the weird hangups and abstractions of responsibility it brings.

I take issue with the idea that we can't meet the needs of literally everyone on the face of this earth, and then expand the minimum.

As far as grass fed, I feel obligated to point out even the grass fed portion could be a crop in that same field, but the yield to calorie count in that decision is the important part to me when it comes to production or pricing, along with not planting acres of stuff essentially inedible humans.

If you want more horror stories methane production from the combination of deforestation and cattle emissions was unreal to read about too, it made me genuinely queasy and I don't think it got enough attention.

But it's just one industry example of how what we need is going to have to inform our actions. Maybe we have to host all our data centers in Siberia, I don't know.

More importantly we have done this before (though nowhere near this scale). Under the banner of capitalism no less! You can have a prevailing socialist ethos to actually stop or change fundamental production of a thing, not extincting the species is a decent cause.

You don't have to go back to Jonas Saulk either, CFCs got obliterated from production lines when we spotted the problem, all of which went down during the Regan and Bush years if I remember right.

Sorry to get wordy, Cato in particular is a sore spot when it comes to watching reasonable arguments get twisted into the windmills they want to tilt at.

I mean this logic chain is good! But it makes me sad in all the wrong ways.

Even as someone whose not a vegetarian we devote a shit ton of land to things like feed corn, which I don't know if you've tried, but it's only barely edible. The amount of yield in terms of nourishment is way tipped towards a subsidized industry around making meat.

So factory meat farming gets reframed as essential, with all of those questionable ethics in our food supply.

My contention is that a honest argument should frame around the minimum acceptance to what we could deliver, not are delivering.

it's kinda like looking at some weird bizarro version of yourself finding your old handle.

If it's also a zombie I'm more creeped out.

You are conflating socialism's view of money, with food. A maximalist socialism would contend money is not for food, give away the food use the money for the stuff you don't NEED.

To some degree I agree with that. Any stance that socialism would do anything other than prioritize the well meaning of people over capital is either a compromise (and some of the Nordic models would be an example) or a deliberate straw man, just like the author is building here.

The idea that you can't 'afford' to feed the world and ideas just like it is the entire reason there's a socialism in the first place.

I figured I'd do the diligence since I have to put up with enough Cato for other projects. I didn't know the authors name, so I had a good laugh at the 3 lines on his linkedin.

Welcome to the part of the Internet with a soul.

Seriously if you're old enough to remember the Internet in terms of users weird passion projects you could do a lot worse than hanging off any part of activitypub.

There's a lot more people than the old days with technical backgrounds, so there's a lot more practical stuff.