boywar3 @ boywar3 @lemmy.world

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I'm merely acting on the wishes of the person who asked me. ¯(ツ)/¯

Yup. I'm basically Hitler II

Yes I'm sure funding FEMA is virtue signaling...whatever you say

So all improvements are gradual, but also I won't vote for gradual change, but also the Dems should be doing more while having to fight for any reform in the split government. Got it.

So you don't want to improve people's lives by your admission and would rather let things get worse because they don't magically make everything better completely.

Jesus christ, I don't think I'd want the revolution to succeed if you don't want to improve people's lives while working to make things better long term.

So the Democrats did improve the lives of people, you're just bitching because they didn't complete the revolution themselves lmfao.

Just admit you want the worst possible situation to occur under the Republicans so the revolution is more likely to happen or whatever and cut the bullshit dude.

In a situation where I am being told to do 2 conflicting things that are effectively mutually exclusive, yes, I will pick the person I know's wishes over some random stranger.

Your opinion is noted, but I've heard the reverse of that statement from trans people as well, so...no? Trans people are not a monolith and you do not speak for all of them any more than I speak for all white 20-something dudes.

Tell me, does the ACA save and improve lives of the average person: yes or no?

Does investing in repairing bridges mean that people will be less likely to die: yes or no?

Does enshrining the right to abortion (at a state level thus far) improve the lives of the average person: yes or no?

The democrats are trying to mass deport legal immigrants and have a plan to kill off all sexual minorities by labeling them pedophiles? News to me.

I'd rather gamble on a peaceful regime change over the possibility of millions of people dying because we fucked the revolution and let another Stalin take power...

Its pretty obvious as I've continually hammered that the Dems are the less damaging option, which is why I support them.

The Republicans are "much worse" if you leave your little echo chamber: look at the track record for each party. The Republicans want to mass deport immigrants, constantly deny climate change exists, and have their plan to kill off trans people and other sexual minorities in their playbook. Not to mention the whole "Muslim ban" they did under Trump. The Democrats by contrast... don't do those things. That's all there is to it for me to know they are better. Make a vent diagram on the actual policies each party has implemented, and you will see a stark difference, even if they are both "Right."

There we go with the classic attenpt at a gotcha again. I never said I supported any of those regimes, yet you seem to think I do. I have the cognitive capacity to look at the aftermath of those things and go "man, that sure was a lot of dead people. maybe I should try the peaceful approach first."

furthermore, how many of those Arab Spring revolutions ended with things being better for the people? My claim is that across all revolutions, there is a rather high chance for things to go tits up and ruin everything.

My point is that your entire premise of "don't vote for the Democrats" while plotting a revolution is nonsensical.

If you think both need to be overthrown, why allow the much worse option for the climate and average person to get into power by withholding your vote? Does it not make more sense to pick the least damaging option available to you while plotting for long term goals? Are you okay with more people dying from the Republican party's policies when you can actively stall/stop them?

And if you think I'm mask off or whatever platitudes you tell yourself for "being fine with genocide" go off I guess. Nuance never hasnt been the far left's speciality (except when infighting).

Yes, genocide is acceptable insofar as I know my actions won't stop it, and I'm not gambling with the lives of people I care about over "maybe the revolution will stop it eventually" or whatever nonsense you believe will happen.

And no, I'm not reading a book about your claims. This is an internet argument lol

The bottom line remains this: calling every Dem supporter genocide lover and telling them how evil they are isn't going to do shit for the cause besides piss people off and undermine thr message. The vast majority of discourse online is about how obnoxious you guys are lmao

There are very wealthy individuals who are backing them for religious reasons, who bribe politicians and pay AIPAC because they want their religious nonsense to happen.

Israel sees this ans uses it to their advantage

Yes, if I had to pick between the immediate safety of my friends and family over the safety of random strangers, I will pick my friends and family. Truly a shocking revelation!

I've answered the question of where my line is to another user.

And yes, wanting a revolution is accelerationist nonsense - look at history and tell me how many popular uprisings actually made life better and for how long. Most revolutions aren't actually done by the "plucky group of militiamen," they are done by government insiders who use leftists to get a W and then boot them out.

You've got a lot to learn about your enemies if you think it's purely economics for these nutcases lol

You also need to learn the definition of "gloves off." The US still has chemical weapons and I've yet to see footage of US infantry going house to house mowing down children

I've heard it all before about how the Dems are right wingers, and I agree, to a point. In practical terms, they are the best option available to make positive change for the things that matter to me, so they will have my support. That's it. As for a line they must cross to lose said support...I'll play it by ear and decide then. I don't bother with tying myself to lines in the sand because things are always more complicated than they seem.

I will continue to vote for the Democrats because they mostly represent what I want of the two parties I am forced to work with because of our shit system. That's all there is to it.

Ah, there it is. You are just an accelerationist. Good luck with the revolution. Don't be surprised when you get betrayed by the insiders who got more people to back them and end up against the wall like most leftist groups in popular revolutions.

I'll waste more breath when you grow up a little and understand how the world works a bit more, lol. I'm sure more leftist infighting and crying online will help the cause until then!

Nope. There are degrees of escalation and the possibility of pullback with one of them (hint: Evangelicals are a big part of the Republican base, who believe Israel plays a role in doomsday).

If the US went gloves off there wouldn't be any Palestinian alive in a month if I'm being honest.

Welcome to US foreign policy, paid for by all our tax dollars regardless of who is in charge.

So you think it is impossible for the left in the US to win then, got it.

Stein is a moron going for the top of the heap without any support whatsoever and only serves as a spoiler to let the right win.

The Dems are slightly left, so I will vote for the best option available.

So you don't believe the left has a chance of flipping local seats and building support, but also want people to join leftist orgs for...reasons?

What's the plan for when Republicans strip more worker protections, finish off Palestine, and make being in a union illegal to please their corporate masters?

Your plan of "I simply won't support genocide" does at least as much as me voting for Kamala, that is to say, relatively little. You "not supporting" something doesn't stop it from happening lol