Well because we're mostly assholes to people with such opinions. If you're afraid of us being an asshole to you, it's natural to expect that you probably hold such opinions. We dunk on people who are racist or homophobic, who vehemently defend sourceless western propaganda, and who thoughtlessly insult communists. Which of these are you? And if you're none of them, why are you afraid of us?
It was just part of my honesty. Laying all my cards on the table. I was saying that even though I am an asshole and would rather just reply to you all with pigpoopballs, I've gone out of my way to open a respectful dialogue. I'm not going to lie to you and say that I like being civil with liberals who constantly post genocide denial and western propaganda and homophobia and racism. I hate you. But I'm willing to set that aside to have a conversation. Liberals are not.
The thing you just quoted was written years before Hexbear federated. It is absolutely not an indication that the community is for "brigading" other instances.
And I was proven right that the user in question did not deserve good faith engagement. They dismissed everything I said and refused to actually take part in any sort of conversation, while throwing insults at me.
First off, let's talk about critical support. No one on Hexbear says China is perfect and without problems and that all societies should be exactly like theirs. Even the most hardcore believers inside the CPC itself don't think that. There's a lot of work to be done. We generally support China because they're actually doing that work, and trending in the right direction, compared to a country like the US which is basically as bad on 90% of China's real issues, way worse on a number of other issues, and is completely stagnant without any hope of progress toward a better society any time soon.
Second off, basically no one on Hexbear supports Russia, even in that critical sense. This "putin-loving Russia-supporting ukraine-war-supporting hexbear user" that everyone on other instances is so mad about literally just doesn't exist. Russia is a shitty capitalist hellscape. But, we seek to understand why the war in Ukraine is actually happening and what should have been done, and what should be done, by all parties involved to minimize the damage done to the innocent Ukrainians and Russians and whoever else is caught up in it. The "acceptable" liberal viewpoint of the war is that Ukraine was just existing peacefully and then one day, out of nowhere, evil Putin declared that he needed more territory and that they would conquer Ukraine to acquire it. That just isn't what happened. This war is the natural result of a decade of provocation and smaller-scale violence.
Keeping hexbear is like keeping Nazis on the site.
This is the sort of respectable, civil discourse we love. Just wholesome comparisons of people from all the groups the Nazis targeted to nazis themselves. Completely reasonable. If we just get rid of those damn hexbears we can have nothing but completely reasonable, normal, civil, non-"extremist" takes like these.
You want to defederate from us because we're trying to "propagandize the fediverse." I pointed out that that's what everyone is trying to do, and also explained why defederating us won't help with what you're trying to accomplish anyway, with an example from the history of our community to provide context.
and suggest I am a bigot
To be frank, the only thing people are upset at us for is how we dogpile bigots. That's it. That's what you want to defederate us for. If you pull the mask off the phrase "propagandize the fediverse" what that actually means is "call out bigots."
I'm going to engage you in good faith, even though I don't truly think you deserve it. Of course we want to "propagandize the fediverse" because we think our opinions are correct. If we didn't think our opinions were correct we'd hold different opinions and want to propagandize the fediverse with those other opinions (like you do). Being a "centrist" or "apolitical" or whatever is itself an ideology, and you are no less trying to push your ideology than we are trying to push ours.
For what it's worth, Reddit already tried to "nip this in the bud" by "defederating" us years ago. That's essentially what the quarantine system on Reddit is. It's supposed to be a death sentence for a subreddit, because you can't view the sub on mobile or without a verified email, it never gets advertised anywhere, and any time you try to navigate to it you get a "this subreddit is bad and very no good, you should go elsewhere, are you sure you want to see this terrible content?" And we kept growing during the quarantine so much that the admins had to make up an excuse to ban the sub entirely (and then many other subs which overlapped in userbase, as well as a couple subs that were basically unrelated, just to really stamp out any hint of our userbase).
Defederating from us won't solve the problem. Just like on Reddit, we will continue our legitimate criticisms of the system and we will continue to grow and influence the political climate of the fediverse and, unfortunately for the likes of you, there are no Reddit admins here to ban us. Basically what I'm saying is, it's impossible to get rid of us so you might as well just get used to being called out when you say bigoted shit.
Also we never dogwhistle. We don't have to. We're open and honest about our beliefs. Ask us anything, we'll answer it, with sources where applicable.
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