So, the war has been going on for three fucking years already, and you still don't know what's actually going on there, all while supporting the regime? Well, I am not surprises even a little bit.
There are shitton of articles written by western media about the kidnappings, but I am sure they are all sponsored by Russia, right?
Here is a library of a fraction of videos about that (obviously faked and sponsored by Russia, because CNN told me Zelensky is good, this cannot be happening): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/incidents
Turning a country into a prison that people desperately try to escape by crossing the border through rivers/mountains (and often die trying), or by going to the "aggressor" controlled territories (remind me please, how many Poles or even better Jews were escaping their countries and fleeing to Germany during WW2 because it was safer there for them?) and people getting kidnapped, beaten, held in basemenets for days, tortured and even killed by the brave "recruitment officers" of Zelensky's regime seems like good enough reason for me.
We all love our country being turned into mass prison, being kidnapped off the streets by TCC guys, get beaten (or just killed) and then sent to the meatgrinder (if not killed or had too many broken bones before that) to die a horrible death for our glorious master Zelensky!
Don't believe anyone who says otherwise, they are tankies spreading Russian propaganda.
Good. People are finally starting to fight the real enemy. What I am really happy about is that it seems that it is slowly but steadily becomes less and less of a taboo for western media to write about what's actually happening in Ukraine (and not "Zelensky is the greatest leader ever and every single Ukrainian is happily dying for his regime").
which law enforcement officials are calling a Russian-orchestrated campaign.
Eh.. If you actually read/watch Ukrainian news, you will see how desperate those fuckers are.. If you do anything except blindly supporting our Lord and Saviour Mr. Zelensky - you are a Russian agent. Don't you even dare speak about the atrocities of TCC, all the people they beaten, tortured and killed. They will soon label an entire country as Russian agents :/
A person that has even a slightest bit of compassion/empathy recognizes how bad war is and helps people flee the affected areas, ensures there are minimal casualties, supports ending the war.
Liberals have no compassion, no emapthy, they only pursue their goals no matter the human suffering. They support a dictator that stops people from fleeing the country, resulting in thousands of deaths and suffering people. They support people being kidnapped from the streets, homes and hospitals (the same people that they trapped there), and sent into the meatgrinder, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. They would not mind the war going on until the very last Ukrainian is dead. They have no red lines.
Liberals make an already awful thing a level of magnitude worse. Liberals are worse than war.
What makes a Tankie, is the support of Authoritarian regimes and turning a blind eye to genocides and many other human rights violations when committed by said regimes
That's exactly what liberals of Lemmy do though.
When was the last time you spoke against Zelensky's regime, that literally turned my country into a concentration camp that people cannot leave and are kidnapped off the streets (and even fucking hospitals!) in front of their crying wives/mothers, to be sent into the meatgrinder and never be seen again?
That's a rhetorical question, of course you never did (and those who do, including me, are paid Russian shills, tankies or just bots). Because for a liberal, it's never "authoritarianism bad" or "Nazism bad" or "human rights violations bad" or anything like this - it's only bad when the other side is doing it. When "the good guys" are doing it, it's not just totally acceptable, the guy is a hero.
Well, you raise a valid point, it's also bad of course.
It's just that "forcing you to do a thing (a physical labor) you do not want to do" and "forcing you to give up a part of your salary" are different things.
Let’s not pretend this doesn’t happen 100 fold in Russia
I think it's also happening in Russia, and people fighting for their freedom in Russia are also heroes
except your tiny dictator doesn’t allow people to speak freely in Russia
"My tiny dictator" (that I didn't vote for though, and who is totally illegitimate right now) is Zelenskyi, he doesn't have a great deal of influence on speaking freely in Russia, he does make sure that people have no say in his little kingdom where he is the authoritarian ruler though
Gtfo out of Ukraine
Thankfully I already did. Otherwise I would be dead just like hundreds of thousands of other Ukrainians, thanks to people like you who support Zelensky's regime.
In the event of a real defensive war, where your nation is invaded with the intent of conquest or subjugation, you will not have a lack of volunteers. You will have a lack of trained people.
Hey, I have a (purely theoretical!) question if you don't mind.
So, if there was (theoretically of course) a war out there, where the government openly admits that they lack volunteers, people are trying to escape the country en masse by illegally crossing the border, and also there were thousands of videos online about that government kidnapping people off the streets (so that they have at least someone to send into the war), would it mean by your definition that such a war is not "with the intent of conquest or subjugation"?
As far as I know this is the first case of a Ukrainian civilian actually standing up for themselves, and not running from TCC "officers", but shooting them instead, and even rescuing a mobilized man in this case! The best moment for that was about three years ago, but the second one was now.
Unfortunately, they were both caught. Still, now that getting shot is on the table, maybe other "officers" will think twice before kidnapping people.
No, why would they? Haven't you heard that Russia is literally Mordor filled with orcs, while Ukraine (especially under Zelensky's rule) is a bastion of democracy? I don't think that western governments/media and especially Zelensky (who doesn't benefit at all from this war and is the main victim here) would lie to anyone about that!
Now that we got sarcasm out of the way..
If you want to form an informed opinion about it you can start by looking at the map of 2010 elections, where there was basically two candidates, a pro-EU one and pro-Russian one. Take a look at the distribution and percentage of people voting for a particular candidate in particular regions. Then look into the coup that happened in 2014, which powers participated in it (you can listen to their leaked conversations as well), then remember the electoral map you just looked at, and maybe make some conclusions.
That's "before the invasion" the part.
"After the invasion" part is of course less clear, but again if you want to start making an informed opinion you can start by looking, for example, at the level of freedom people located on Ukraine controlled territories have and that of people on annexed by Russia territories (or just "Russia proper" territories). Who is free to leave at any moment and go anywhere, and who is forbidden to leave the country because the government needs cannon fodder? Who is encouraged to volunteer to join the army with monetary incentives, and who is kidnapped from the street, beaten, held in basements for days and forcefully sent to the meat grinder? Again, you can try to make some conclusions from that, and maybe speculate whether it's possible that people from one of those groups may want to join the other one.
As a finishing touch - I am Ukrainian, I was born there, and lived most of my life there. Thankfully, I left the country before the war started. If I visit Ukraine - I will most likely be dead in a matter of months (after being kidnapped and beaten by the brave TCC guys). If I visit Russia - I will at most face more scrutiny at the border due to the war. I'm not from an eastern region of Ukraine and I never wanted it to become a part of Russia. You can try to guess which options are preferrable for me currently.
So, the war has been going on for three fucking years already, and you still don't know what's actually going on there, all while supporting the regime? Well, I am not surprises even a little bit.
There are shitton of articles written by western media about the kidnappings, but I am sure they are all sponsored by Russia, right?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m-ukrainian-conscription-officer-people-070000956.html?guccounter=1.
https://unn.ua/en/news/a-lecturer-at-lviv-university-was-found-beaten-and-unconscious-near-kyiv-what-is-known-what-are-the-questions-to-the-tcc
Here is a library of a fraction of videos about that (obviously faked and sponsored by Russia, because CNN told me Zelensky is good, this cannot be happening): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/incidents