Well, as assholish as he is, at least that guy is honest.
If people started likewise admitting that they are genociding Ukrainians (because hey, it also hurts Russia, so it's worth it) instead of "but we are helping Ukraine!" that would already be a huge progress..
And yes saying the leader of Ukraine is “genociding” Ukrainians is a meth head take on the situation. It almost sounds like you recently learnt that word and are applying it to everything.
So, how would you name it instead? OK sure, maybe "genocide" is too sensational, would "exterminate" be better? Or maybe simple "mass murder of hundreds of thousands (if not millions...)" is better?
EDIT: Although, considering that they started talking about genociding FOURTEEN YEAR OLDS "if such a need would arise" - I'll continue calling this for what this is - a fucking genocide.
You didn't answer my question "what evidence (...) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (...) that forces us to (...)" :(
Putin is trying to take your homeland and you're doing nothing to prevent it.
What do you mean "take"?
What prevents me from living on the land Putin has taken?
Or let's be more exact - what prevents people in Crimea, Melitopol and other cities/regions taken by Putin to continue living there?
Or maybe you want to say that the life there is worse? Then please define in what way. Is it being able to freely move? Is it not being a subject to mass kidnappings? Is it being able to speak your mother tongue without being discriminated for it (or worse...)? Is it being able to form political parties? Is it being able to vote for your president (even if you consider the elections rigged)?
You're not even in your own country...
I cannot return there, until Zelensky's regime is done. If I go there - I won't be able to come back. I'll be imprisoned like the rest of the country. I'll be sooner or later kidnapped and sent to die.
Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there?
Fighting for freedom is fighting against Zelensky's regime, he is the one taking the freedom away. And it's extremely hard to fight him, as long as he has western support.
I'll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn't convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (with West's support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?
How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?
It's also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can't leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.
Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?
Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.
You see, I've tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky's fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)
Zelensky's regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).
And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$... For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we've never seen in a lifetime.
The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.
Doesn't support which of my claims? Just scroll to the comments, I've archived videos for you there. People in masks and with rifles, throwing people out of cars in the middle of a road, beating people to the loss of consciousness, student beaten for answering a call from his mother, it's all there.
Unmarked vans? Here, enjoy your participation in genociding Ukrainians!
This might be an effort to shift blame away from local government.
Might be, but I've seen articles (not from ua government) about plans to do this (and US pressure on that matter) long before the government spoke about it, so might be true.
But that doesn’t really matter, what matters is that the net for the meat grinder will be cast wider.
Yep :(
What will probably happen, is that kidnapping age will be reduced to something like 20-21, and it will be presented as a great success of Zelensky the Merciful.
Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn't kidnapping people off the streets. That's completely disingenuous at best.
Yeah, Zelensky's regime definitely doesn't kidnap people off the streets. There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).
Yeah, I guess you're actually right about that, when you look at what Zelensky does to Ukrainians - it indeed sounds quite similar to the western propaganda about what Putin/Russia does...
Zelensky didn't choose to be invaded. Wtf are you on about
Even assuming that this is true - I didn't say that he did.
What he did choose to do though - was turning country into a mass prison and kidnapping people on the streets and sending them into the meat ginder (so, murdering them).
So, Zelensky started with turning Ukraine into a mass prison on 24.02.2022.
Then busification (kidnapping people on the streets and murdering them by sending them to the meat grinder) of men aged 27-60 started soon after.
Then, in April 2024, Zelensky's meat grinder was expanded to men aged 25-27.
Now, Zelensky will probably start murdering men aged 18-25 as well (and not just "supported" by the west, not even "encouraged", now it's "pressured").
What line should Zelensky cross for you to admit he is genociding Ukrainians? Should he start kidnapping teenagers as well? Should he start kidnapping women? Or would it be ok as well?.. (btw both kidnapping teenagers and women already happened, it's just that for now "recruitment officers" let them go after they discover their mistake)
And remeber folks, "till the last Ukrainian" is propaganda spread by Russian bots and tankies, it has nothing in common with reality.
Yeah, people cheering whatever the fuck Zelensky is doing to the people they supposeddly "support" is.. Scary to say the least. Is it "won't happen to me" mentality? Is it "hurt Russia at a cost of whatever amount of Ukrainians it takes" mentality? I dunno...
And the funniest part - I can understand why people downvote my comment (I used quite "strong" language there), but why the fuck are they downvoting the post? XD
Is "kyivindependent" also a Russian propaganda now? 🤦
Anyway, there is a good side to this too, I'm even kinda happy that my post got so many downvotes - it means .ml is not a total "tankie" circlejerk, and there actually are people with opposing views here (even if those views are about genociding my country...).
Yeah, cleansed/genocided/or whatever you call it. Zelensky knows nobody cares about villages, so he started with that, and then moved to a bigger fish.
Supporting in what way? By giving Ukraine the means to defend itself against Ruzzia?
Supporting in the way of giving him money, weapons and power. That he uses to terrorize and genocide Ukrainians.
The biggest threat to us, to our lives and freedom, is not Russia - it's Zelensky. Yet you don't help us, you help Zelensky to murder more of us. And why shouldn't you? After all, a few Russians will die as well, so no matter how many of us how died it's a win for you..
Some blogger from Lviv tells his story about being forcibly pulled from a car by masked people ("recruitment officers"), beaten, thrown on the ground... He complained to police about that, but he cannot even identify who has beaten him because they are all masked... Holy fucking shit.
A student tells his story about being beaten by "recruitment officers" for answering a call from his mother... He was let go only because he was a student (and therefore, for now, allowed not to die in the meat grinder).
(this one actually happened a few days before the mass kidnappings began, on 8th of October)
Well, as assholish as he is, at least that guy is honest.
If people started likewise admitting that they are genociding Ukrainians (because hey, it also hurts Russia, so it's worth it) instead of "but we are helping Ukraine!" that would already be a huge progress..