blue_berry @ blue_berry @lemmy.world

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But you NEED a functioning feed to discover new stuff ACROSS the threadiverse. How else will you be able to find other communities?

Me too but we are also on lemmy.world which is well moderated (and I think also has the resources to do so)

But why? That goes against the whole idea of federation. If no one uses the All feed you never discover other communities. You will end up with thousands of independent reddit clones.

What I think could help against instance protectionism:

A.) Better moderation tools to protect against SPAM and trash

B.) Better curation algorithm, especially for smaller instances, to smartly curate posts that are relevant to the user

C.) Better default-values for the selected feed (All instead of local), as well as for the discovery of communities (which is also currently local by default)

If B is not realized, smaller instances will have no handle against big instances flooding their user's feeds with their posts and they will switch back to local-default again.

Overall, it can be brought down to making the All-feed more attractive. In my opinion, there should only be the subscribed-feed and an all-feed with curated posts (with different sorting algorithms to chose from in the best case). Or at least these should be the main ones.

I think the first season was even better than the book. It was unlike anything I have seen before on TV. I'm fine it exists in the first place :D Never read Anansi Boys and Beowulf. Is it worth it?

Manipulation is a strong point, however, I think if you have the choice between several algorithms, manipulation should be pretty hard.

American Gods. I mean, still better would have been to just do it as good as the first season

That's a client for Mastodon, right?

That sounds really interesting, I will definitely check it out (once its out).

Do you mean "impossible"?

I think it doesn't have to be. The crucial thing is that you have the option to simply change instances if you don't like the algorithm that comes with it. The scholar Katharina Zweig introduced danger-levels of algorithms. The danger level is determined by A.) whether you can easily get an alternative for the given algorithm without investing too much and B.) which has low negative impact in case the algorithm is bad.

She would categorizes curating-algorithms in social media therefore as low as long as there are enough alternatives that you can easily switch to and I would agree with that.

Edit: The categorization was about algorithm-decision-systems but it can be applied for algorithms in general

Ok ok fine. I get it. I still think it would be cool. Maybe some time in the future when the Fediverse is further developed as a whole.

I think it could work like this:

The moderators of each community are primarily responsible for their posts and keep an eye on the moderation by the other community. If one side is unhappy with the moderation of the other, they can cut the link and vice versa.

Administrators act as if the others community’s post are part of the community on their instance too. If there are weird posts, the community gets banned etc.

I think Linking would be great.

Ok, it does imply it a bit, I should edit that

No you can also remove old features or improve them.

Some rudimentary algorithm that curates the posts somehow in a more exciting way than strict chronological order

Same here. Community tags would be pretty useful. Overall not so much (seems like hastags but even they are coming out of favor). I think that search through the whole threadivrse works fine

I think this is also heavily related to the CSAM issue, because

A.) Its horrible to read about in the first place B.) Its makes users more reluctant to browse content in general C.) It makes users more reluctant to browse content at work or in public places

I think that scared off many users (it also scared me off a bit). I think if Lemmy finds a solution to fight this kind of stuff and gives users some reassurance that the problem is handled will bring many users back. I think the importance of content moderation and SPAM defense should be the biggest learning points of the first Lemmy loop.

I think we should admit that's just two views on the same system. Or is it maybe because the architecture of Lemmy feels kind of make-shift? Kind of in the spirit of the fediverse by design but not quite ... although I don't know how to make it more consistent

Switching to another instance is central to the idea of the Fediverse and should be easy. But here, I leave all my favourite communities behind and have to search for them all over again, let's say on a different arsenal server.