I do still want you to go find definitions for zionism. And look into the history while you're at it. There was no notable amount of jews in Palestine at the time, it was a long established largely islamic arabic people. Jews were famously a diaspora, which means not living in that area. Zionists largely moved in from Europe.
Directly neighbouring Arab and Muslim countries and areas exiled, killed and drove out Jews amounting to more than 850 thousand who went to Israel.
Im sure there were some, but the majority of this was their own choice. It's Zionism, of course they went to the holy land when Israel was formed, that was always the plan.
That the people who we call Palestinians today in the area denied the two-state solution at that time because they did not want Israel to exist. They wanted to rather have war instead of getting their own state and share the land.
They were damn right to not want it, it's gone horribly for them. Palestinians opposed Zionism from the beginning as Jews started settling and evicting them from their land.
Whats false is the idea that they were already there. Its kind of a weird thing to believe, i feel like you'd be pretty well aware of the famous Jewish diaspora. Theres a reason over 700 thousand palestinians were killed or exiled and it wasnt to make room for people already living there.
do you think the humanitarian situation in Gaza was good? International Humanitarian organizations were pleading with Israel to let them do humanitarian work in the open air prison that is Gaza. I think Israel has been lying to you about how they've been handling Gaza, it has not been humanitarian in any way.
from the beginnings of Zionism? No, no they largely came from Europe, when Britain colonized the area after World War I. It's pretty fucked up, Britain promised Arab independence in Palestine if they revolted against the Ottoman colonizers during WWI, but then issued the Balfour Declaration promising a Jewish state there instead.
feel free to bring in any definitions for zionism you can find that just call it a right to live. Heck, look up why it's called Zionism. It's about Jews establishing a nation around Jerusalem. Palestinians were and still are living there already during this movement. hundreds of thousands have been killed or exiled.
oh I've seen a lot about labor zionism learning about the history of zionism in general. The kibbutzim, the jewish land funds, the buying up of land from colonial land owners and eviction of Palestinians, long before Israeli statehood. Look at the occupation in the West Bank for what Labor Zionism looks like. And what the kibbutzim at the Gaza border are waiting to do to Gaza.
And whenever groups criticize israel or support palestinians someone will call it anti-semitism, minimizing and normalizing the genocide of palestinians.
The number of incidents is the whole thing being discussed, a notable rise in antisemitic incidents. Jews shouldnt face any hate crimes, but neither should any group that also regularly faces them.
No ones saying theres no genuine antisemitism going on. Even in the 854 incidents of "offensive behavior" im sure is plenty of nazi ideology eugenics wanting jews killed. But im skeptical of the totality of this number being antisemitism.
Lobbying does not exist in its historical definition anymore. Even in non-profit examples, it's still monetary influence rather than just spoken. That's what people are talking about when they say lobbying, if you see a political call to action of writing your congressman, tell me if they describe it as lobbying your congressman.
I aint moving goalposts, I claim you cannot have a personal meeting with your congressman. If you are a representative of some large organization, maybe.
Of course! Why didnt they just ask Israel to stop oppressing them!