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  • This man is a necromancer...

  • OmniDeficient

    Common Sense Fallacy... concerned citizen...

    So are you going to talk about the numerous sauce or????

    Right, you can't. Fallacy fallacy. I'm poking fun at the issue like numerous others have had. So the entire argument is wrong... despite....

    Appeal to common sense fallacy!... Yet it's where almost all scientific studies come from lol. Also, just because something is a fallacy doesn't mean the logic isn't true lol. Black or white fallacy!

    It's only a fallacy if it isn't true mate.

    This isn't rhetorical roulette. The simple fact is that you can't refute the studies, you can't refute the sources, so you refuse to change your position. We literally hang a Progress Pride flag off our porch. Like the other person below, you're doing way more harm than good to trans rights.

    Either get with the times and help, or stop trolling and ruining the perception of trans folk online by refusing reality. The current rules need to be changed. Top athletes have changed their position ex posto facto realizing how much of an advantage they had within those 2 years after transitioning for decades. Science is showing that people retain advantages after for even longer than 1-2 years. At the top levels of Sport, advantages as small as 1% is the different between even qualifying and medaling.

    It's an issue. It's going to take time to resolve. No, swinging the pendulum too far the other direction isn't good, it ruins arguments. Yes, you're human just like those trolls, it doesn't mean you should be falling for the same stick your fingers in your ears obstinance,

  • iridaniotter

    Begone, transphobe.

    Sounds more like you're a closed minded bigot who has already made up their mind despite being shown evidence to the contrary.

    It's not a very becoming look for someone who presumably wants progress for trans folk. You can't just stuff your head in the sand the moment science begins to sway a different direction. It's not how science or reality works. It's not Adam Savage's most well known catchphrase.

    These are important discussions and you're literally harming trans people by acting this petulant and childish. Quit with the persecution act and show your sources. This ain't Truth Social lmfao.

  • A rare instance, on some issue, because a broken clock is right twice a day.

    And yet... gestures broadly to the numerous liberal progressive Democrats

    You won't find that side in the Republican party lol.

  • They really need to make more Cospenis filters...

  • On a real note for people with extra floaty turds. Just get 1-3 plys of toilet paper over it. Causes more drag from the water which actually gives it enough force to get around the u bend. Not on top of each other though. Like long shitachute. Not the WW2 army kind.

    Take it from someone who has dense turds in a house full of floaters lmfao. Yes, you did flush. I'm still staring at half your dookie kid lol. There's few things worse than going to the bathroom and finding your gross large turd floating like a fucking stinkberg to my finally get to take a shit Titanic.

    Disgustang!!!

  • FBL, for Fucking Big Lizard.

  • Thanks for the update.

    I've also went and provided numerous and a variety of sources, direct studies, and reputable news sites disagreeing with the nearly decade old science the ALWAYS RIGHTEOUS OLYMPIC COMMITTEE based their decision on from an apparently single cherrypicked study in 2015?

    I'd agree it looks like a 2 year wait requirement is a much better factor than the current single year though. Until then though, it needs changed. Then we will need more refuting the current I've linked above which shows pretty handily across the board that MtF athletes retain advantages well after a year and longer.

  • Thanks for the heads up. I've provided lots of sauce now too and will continue editing as I pull them up almost in order on Google lol.

  • Science completely disagrees in so many studies. Let alone the personal opinions of trans athletes in the world themselves lol.

    Like you two, I've provided sauce above. Most of it far more recent than several years ago as if pointing to a single study refutes any other lol.

    Edit: It sounds like you're referencing old studies. And the Olympic Committee isn't exactly known for being on top of science or neutral lol. It's nearly decade old science in a field that still needs a lot of data.

    In 2015, IOC invited Harper to attend its Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism held in Lausanne, Switzerland. After 3 days, the panel of scientists and physicians converged on revised rules for transgender competitors, including at least 1 year of hormone replacement therapy for female competitors, rather than the 2 years previously required. That change was a nod to Harper's personal transition experience and to research published in 2004 in the European Journal of Endocrinology showing that the testosterone levels—and therefore performance—of 19 transgender women stabilized after 12 months of hormone therapy.

    https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-racing-discover-how-gender-transitions-alter-athletic-performance-including

    More news showing it's unfair. Just go see my original.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/03/24/1165795462/transgender-track-and-field-athletes-cant-compete-in-womens-international-events

  • Yeah, non-trans women don't enjoy being forever 2nd because they weren't born men in physically competitive sport lol.

    It doesn't take years long studies to understand a woman who transitioned well into or after puberty is still built more physiologically man than women. We will still need data about those who transitioned early and before onset. When a man transitions into being a woman then wipes the floor with every one of her peers, there's something wrong.

    You either need mixed gender sport. Male only, and female only. The regulations regarding each will have to be arbitrarily chosen until a good spot is found.

    Mental sports that take near zero physical strength should have zero separations between the genders though.

    It was great when women started wiping the floor with men at Shooting lol.

    It's not so great when, well, Bill Burr says it funnier lol: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ESahoCdQ28

    Edit: Since people want sauce wars...

    Trans athletes retaining advantages even after a year or HRT.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-women-retain-athletic-edge-after-year-hormone-therapy-study-n1252764 - Jan. 5, 2021

    Given that the percentage difference between medal placings at the elite level is normally less than 1%, there must be confidence that an elite transwoman athlete retains no residual advantage from former testosterone exposure, where the inherent advantage depending on sport could be 10–30%. Current scientific evidence can not provide such assurances and thus, under abiding rulings, the inclusion of transwomen in the elite female division needs to be reconsidered for fairness to female-born athletes.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9331831/ - 2022 Aug; 19

    When a male athlete transitions to female, the National Collegiate Athletic Association, which governs college sports, requires a year of hormone-suppressing therapy to bring down testosterone levels. The N.C.A.A. put this in place to diminish the inherent biological advantage held by those born male.

    Ms. Thomas followed this regimen.

    But peer reviewed studies show that even after testosterone suppression, top trans women retain a substantial edge when racing against top biological women...

    Testosterone levels are crucial but do not invariably predict performance in every sport.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/29/us/lia-thomas-women-sports.html

    Renee Richards interview...

    “I know if I’d had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me,” she said in an interview. “I’ve reconsidered my opinion.”

    https://slate.com/culture/2012/10/jewish-jocks-and-renee-richards-the-life-of-the-transsexual-tennis-legend.html

    The council said they ultimately decided to prioritize "fairness and the integrity" of the female competition over inclusion.

    The World Athletics Council plans to form a working group to consider the issue of transgender inclusion over the next year. The committee will speak with transgender athletes to seek their perspective, review research on the matter and submit recommendations to the council.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/03/24/1165795462/transgender-track-and-field-athletes-cant-compete-in-womens-international-events

    However, we do have evidence - we have 13 studies that show significant retained advantage. We have a number of other studies of males with lower testosterone levels with prostate cancer, we know what happens with training, and so I think collectively the picture is quite strong to suggest that advantages are retained.
    So I would be quite confident at this point that a policy that regulates women's sport by excluding male advantage, which includes trans women, is the evidence-based one.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/61346517 - 11 May 2022

    In this study, we confirmed that use of gender affirming hormones are associated with changes in athletic performance and demonstrated that the pretreatment differences between transgender and cis gender women persist beyond the 12 month time requirement currently being proposed for athletic competition by the World Athletics and the IOC.10 This study suggests that more than 12 months of testosterone suppression may be needed to ensure that transgender women do not have an unfair competitive advantage when participating in elite level athletic competition.

    https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577 - May 17, 2021

  • Yep, and yet it's literally the only solution besides literal revolution steeped in death.

    Sometimes there is literally no easy answer. It doesn't make the answer any less true.

  • Redwood City, California.

  • Nobody forgot. Your friends and family accepted it.

    Get out. It's the only chance at freedom you'll have for generations.

  • Tony Lazuto sends his regards. 🔫🧎‍♂️

  • I was hoping for a LockPickingLawyer video of him opening up a gunsafe with a fucking pube or something.