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Refreshrate is the magnet probably because it feels like the only one that isn't covered by "yeah, ubuntu is shit. I agree." And I understand fully how much refresh matters. I use 144 and 240hz monitors because low refresh bothers me. It was intended as less of a "this shouldn't bother you" and more of a "this is an edge case feature that not even my blu ray player handles, and that's built for the specific purpose of watching videos." It's purely a use case I had never heard of before, so declaring Linux not ready for desktop over a completely niche feature feels unfair. (But again, I would check for Xorg vs Wayland)

Ubuntu has been moving more and more of their software away from deb packaging and towards "snaps" which are their own thing. And snaps are terrible. imo, Canonical is basically trying to figure out how to turn Ubuntu into a walled garden like Microsoft and Apple have.

So Ubuntu handling it's packaging poorly and having out of date software with poor configurations doesn't surprise me at all. I can't counter your argument there because I agree with you that Ubuntu isn't good for desktop. I'm not ignoring those issues, I'm agreeing (just about Ubuntu, and not necessarily Linux as a whole, which has a separate set of issues, like driving you towards Ubuntu in the first place)

"Stable" here means "unchanging" and not "crash proof" unfortunately. Shipping software that is already 1-2 years out of date for a server that I intend to stay up all the time means that by the time I get a chance to run updates, the software is even more out of date.

The OP's SMB issue is exactly the kind of thing that would be WORSE on debian. "We're going to stick with SMBv1 by default, because not changing it is more 'stable' even though it's incredibly out of date"

And now you are stuck with this decision because you can't afford downtime on your server to resolve it. Shipping drastically out of date software isn't always a good thing either. Refusing to ship SMBv2 (again, I don't know what version of SMB Debian ships, using this purely as an example of the type of thing they do) in the name of "stability" even though it solves a ton of problems with SMBv1 is not a good experience.

They try to backport security fixes, but there are times where those get missed, and it also means that they aren't backporting bugfixes that they don't find "critical" enough.

So yes, Debian is only good for the scenario where you would prefer to have the same bugs for a year on end because "unchanging" is more important than "up to date, and patched"

I understand that 24/60 doesn't divide evenly. My point is just that televisions don't have this feature either. When I watch movies, even if the source is 24hz, my TV stays at 60hz.

Either way, there certainly is "an API" to do it. With xrandr you can just xrandr --refresh 24 and it would work. It's something that is absolutely doable. Whatever xrandr is doing clearly the X server is exposing ways to change it. So anyone saying "X can't do that" is probably wrong.

I don't know much about Ubuntu other than everyone recommends it because it's overly simple and then inevitably things go wrong with it and it's impossible to fix because its overly simple. If I had to guess, this is something specific about Ubuntu and it using wayland by default. Wayland is the X replacement, so any fixes for Xorg refresh rate changing definitely don't apply.

Potential solution : if you log out, on the log in screen it should give you an option of which desktop environment to log into (a gear in the bottom right corner with an option for "Ubuntu on Xorg")...

It's possible that Ubuntu has removed this option recently. Wayland is the future, but it is different from X and not all software is ready for that change. My guess is that the checkbox in Kodi uses the Xorg APIs to change refresh rate, and Wayland doesn't use those APIs, so it just doesn't work. Wayland is in awkward teenage years where it's trying to pretend like it's ready to take on the world, but it's got a lot of rough edges still.

I would say that refresh rate changing doesn't really reflect on "linux on desktop" (a normal desktop use case doesn't have refresh rates changing regularly), but rather "linux as a HTPC/media center". And furthermore, most of your complaints are specific about Ubuntu. The biggest "Linux has issues" problem is that people are still using Ubuntu and picking a distro is way too much work, and the wayland transition is breaking some functionality of some software that hasn't updated yet.

I would like to point out that you have come into a Linux community and lead off with "this is a terrible experience" and then described quite a few issues that either "Ubuntu" (not "Linux") issues or otherwise somewhat non-standard uses. So if you're getting a weird mix of "defensive," "agreement that Ubuntu sucks, use something else," and "utter confusion about the use case" ... its probably the way the conversation started.

Also, this wouldn't be the first thread where someone shows up and complains purely on the basis of "linux isn't windows" so the community is already primed to be agitated about threads like this. Kneejerk reactions aren't the best, but I'm sure you weren't trying to come in here and coming across as aggressive either.

I have literally never in my life had my monitor’s refresh rate switch to match the framerate of the video I’m watching. What refresh rate was it, and what’s the framerate that you wanted it to match? I’m trying to wrap my head around what it is that you’re watching that just letting the screen refresh at 60Hz or whatever speed it was going at won’t cut it.

was also heavily wondering this. Most TVs don't change their refresh rate to their content. they just output 1080p 60hz (or whatever) and only do the updates every 24hz and will just double up frames. Expecting to change your output based on the content feels real weird.

if this person has stuttery video, its something else or they have a very niche use case.

"Plain ol debian" is the kind of distro that will ship SMBv1 without SMBv2, because "stability" (to be clear, i dont know if they do, but its the kind of thing they would do)

Debian loves to ship out of date garbage, because "out of date, but unchanging" is better than just shipping up to date stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=188fipF-i5I

This video goes over a lot of metrics about how far you have to move your fingers to type certain things, and how we wound up at qwerty in the first place. The truth of it is though: different layouts are better for different things. He shows in the video a bunch of keyboard layouts optimized for things like youtube comments, the script of the Bee movie, wikipedia, etc.

At 7:12 in the video, he cites Dvorak as 26.2% more efficient than qwerty for how much your fingers need to travel to type. This covers letter frequency, but also sequencing (ie, typing the letters "un" on qwerty means i have go from top row U to bottom row N with the same finger).

I don't use dvorak, because if I want to use someone else's computer, I don't want to have to fight with muscle memory, but it is "superior" in many ways.

nnoremap <C-q> :q<CR>

This works for me to bind control+q to quit.

edit: easier to upload an image because lemmy is eating the "html" characters

If that was his seat, no wonder Booth broke his leg jumping down to the stage

No they don't

N is the ratio of the circles and its just +1 or -1 depending on outer or inner.

Its not even remotely what you said. Its A/B+1 or A/B-1 for an interior loop.

edit: I didn't need to be this aggressive. It's VAGUELY what you said. its (A+B)/B. You have missed the /B part.. which is A/B + 1.

in the example you gave, for radius 2 and 3... it would be 3/2 + 1 or 2.5. Not 5 (off by a factor of 2 because /B)

This guy inducts.

Im glad things are turning around for you

"Flat" and "flat screen" arent the same thing. CRT TVs had a curved glass screen. Due to the fact that the rear projection could just project across the curve. With technology advancements they were able to improve picture clarity while flattening the screen. These were still bulky projection style TVs, but were called flat screen. But then when actual "flat" TVs (in the form of LCD, etc) came around people kept using the term. So a flat screen TV could be very thick.

I once worked with a person from Ohio who thought Ohio was the furthest WEST Midwest state.

Cute fluffball. Nice NES keycaps. 10/10

I don't know. AC Valhalla doesn't have achievements on steam, so impossible to tell if I've 100% in it

Its always so disappointing when Manjaro is the recommended distro for things.

Saying GNU/Linux does not give that message to 99% of people though. If I say that the SteamDeck actually runs on GNU/Linux to a normie gamer, they are more likely to be like "ok, that sounds confusing I'll stick to xbox". And anyone within the community already gets it. We all know the meme, we all get it. Semantics goes both ways. Sometimes you win hearts and minds, and sometimes you just annoy people who don't care.

And in the name of semantics, "attribution" and "credit" are not the same. I'm obligated to say IceWeasel, or as I've taken to calling it, "The libre Firefox fork known as IceWeasel"... It's important to call it by the full name every time, because Firefox is really the basis of 99.9% of the code in the repo. The repo gives full attribution to firefox and mozilla, but when we refer to it, we never actually give credit to the original.

And since we don't need to call out the original if we fork something, if I fork GNU-utils and call it linux-OS-utils. And then build on my own distro, would that be a fully Linux OS? Even though its functionally and codewise identical to a "GNU/Linux" distro?

Debian is currently on neovim version 0.4.4 (august 7, 2020). Arch is on 0.9.1(may 29, 2023) (current). That's just an example off the top of my head.

If you use a server exclusively for serving content and never modify configs on your server... php current version is 7.4 (past EOL since Nov 2022)...

Oh wait, I'm only on Debian 11, though its supported until at least 2024. I have "support" but its for old versions of software. I sometimes can't even share a tmux config between my desktop and my server, because the versions are so different.

I have had similar issues with debian dist-upgrades just like I have with ubuntu. Turns out jumping from neovim 0.4.4 to 0.9.1 (jk, debian sid STILL only has 0.7.2) is the kind of version jump that goes straight past a deprecation warning in 0.5 and actual deprecation in 0.6, and now my config doesn't work. So the options are "always be perpetually just a bit out of date because we cant actually update to new software", or "risk breaking things by having large version leaps, from the woefully outdated to the pretty new"

So the solution to needing newer server software versions: run things in docker... Which they package version 20.10 in the "docker.io" package. Uninstalling that, and reinstalling from the docker official source to get docker-ce gets us up to 24.0.5, which is the same version as arch. So it's possible to get there, just not out of the box. And by the time you start adding ppa's to your distro, things stop being as stable.

tl;dr - If you need up to date software, debian is awful. It is rock solid, but often obsolete.

I use it for my server with the docker workarounds, but needing to do workarounds make it less fun. If I had to start over, I might pick something else like NixOS. I dunno. For "not going to crash" levels of stability, I can't explicitly name anything better, but for "actually functions how i want it to" it's definitely not at the top.

Indeed. "Linux" now means "literally Linux, the kernel" and also "an operating system that uses Linux as the kernel". Kind of like how people say they use "Windows" but they mean that they use "Windows 11".

The only reason saying "GNU/Linux" helps is if you want to give credit to GNU. It doesn't add clarity to anything. Which is warranted, but also, what if I forked GNU and relabeled it as linux-tools. I believe that's within my right, isn't it? To fork and copy things.

It's kinda odd to be like "copyright is bad, the works should be free, and just pass around naturally!" ... "but also make sure I get credit"