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I have zero respect for people who

Why should anyone care about being respected by you of all people?

The white lady who helped plan the insurrection?

Yeah, she isn't an issue with any of this. His point is that if it wasn't for SCOTUS then interracial marriage would still be banned. And he wants to make that true so that others are radicalized by it.

Him being deprived of his own marriage would just be seen by him as effective additional propaganda - would show that no matter how high black people climb in society, whites will still destroy their lives. Which would help show that integration is an impossibility, which is his goal

In 2016, Trump beat Hillary in Michigan by less than 11,000 votes

Yesterday, 101,436 Democrats voted uncommitted in a noncompetitive primary against an incumbent president after just 3 weeks of statewide organizing to advocate for an "uncommitted" vote selection

The Democrats should be extremely worried. They would need to win Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, and Pennsylvania to get 271 electoral votes without Michigan. Do we feel so confident in that result to entrust the future of American democracy to it?

has been fucked since before either of us were born. Russia wants us to be devisive against each other. They want a strong disenfranchised faction of Dem voters to "go against Biden" so that the Russublicans take power again.

Agreed

Which is why Biden needs to stand up to Israel to stop his political bleeding on this and mitigate the harm that has already been done

Ending Israel's genocide immediately is the politically pragmatic move. Biden is losing votes and helping Trump by not prioritizing this to the greatest extent possible

And Netanyahu knows this. And Netanyahu prefers Trump to Biden for innumerable reasons. Which is why Netanyahu has been making the killing as barbaric as possible - it hurts Biden and helps Trump; in addition to it satisfying Likud's own goals of annexing Gaza

Likud Israel is not Biden's ally, and Likud Israel may not even be the West's ally. Biden needs to immediately reorient our view of Israel or the world will suffer the consequences of a final Trump presidency

People believe that Israel is a puppet of the United States in the same way that North Korea is a puppet of China. Israel is seen as a forward operating base of the American empire that provides a beachhead and a port in the middle east for our aircraft carriers and corporations. Without Israel, we would not for decades have had highly securely placed missiles and armaments within range of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, etc.

Netanyahu and Likud are nationalists who are pulling on their leash and are making us look terrible in front of the world rn. And Netanyahu would personally likely prefer a world run by Putin rather than the current Western Rules-Based International Order that enforces principles such as human rights, and anti-corruption, and term limits for democratically elected representatives, and judicial independence.

It is unclear how we will address these issues that he has created. But no, people do not see Israel as being a fully independent country in the same way that India or Thailand, for instance, are fully independent countries

No, it's because of settler-colonialism and ethnonationalism

My understanding is that Thomas wants to end Loving and allow bans on interracial marriage because he wants to expose how racist America is and to radicalize black Americans into separatism.

Like the goal is to show black Americans that racist whites run the country and that they will prevent you from marrying other races because they hate you and consider you to be The Other. And it is impossible to change their minds on this. Which is why the Constitution and caselaw cannot protect us. Instead, we need to self-segregate away from whites and form our own communities away from them. Similar to the Amish or the hasidic Jewish neighborhoods in NYC.

Thomas in some ways has more in common with Marcus Garvey than Ronald Reagan. It's just an incredibly cruel and largely contradictory version of Garvey's racial separatism

They're talking about the 90s and prior, and really are talking about the 70s and prior

You had to compromise, because of course other people have power and leverage to use, but you got solid returns

Agreed

You could flip your argument on term limits on its head and say he would be even more unconstrained to pursue the agenda his voters want.

Biden is a zionist. If left unconstrained he would be even more supportive of Israel than he currently is. He doesn't like the brutality of the current genocide because it's bad optics. But he agrees with the ultimate result of Israel waging total war and permanently annexing Gaza. Once he is reelected he will have no accountability at all on this issue - and he only is accountable to a very modest extent currently because he needs to win Michigan in November. Once November is over that won't be the case.

Can you answer me on what the alternative does? Trump is not going to be an anti Zionist. He's going to hurt more Palestinians, harder. He's going to devastate international relations and create similar crises across the globe, which will hurt even more people.

Agreed.

So it seems that the options that our system has presented us with are voting either for an active genocide, or voting for the creation of additional genocides in addition to escalation of the current one. If that is the choice the system offers us then aren't we compelled to restructure the United States and replace our system itself? At the very least, violence and death required to sustain our country must be fully acknowledged and its truth must be exposed. Biden and the United States are causing the occurrence of a genocide. If that is our least harmful option then Xi and Putin (who are worse than us) are correct to use this as an opportunity to permanently destroy American/Western moral clarity.

Rigged requires an intent to deceive

That's untrue. Rigged means intentionally structured to achieve a certain outcome. Regardless, the concept of a "free and democratic" has obvious connotations and intended implications regarding the level playing field associated with that process. The DNC did not have a level playing field which is why so many believe that it is rigged, and why so many will continue to believe that until monumental structural reforms are achieved, as well as admissions of wrongdoing for prior behavior. Comments like this won't change anyone's mind, and will just reinforce the idea that Democrats refuse to self-reform or listen to popular backlash

You vote, Biden wins, progressives now have leverage to force Biden into a harsher stance on Israel in his second term

I don't see how voting for a hypothetically successful Biden candidacy would create any leverage on Biden. He is term limited and cannot run for reelection if he wins in November. And even if Kamala/Newsom/Whitmer/etc want to win in 2028, I don't see how anti-Zionists uniformly voting for Biden in 2024 will have any bearing on their development of policy re:Israel. If anything, voting for him in November despite Israel's genocide seems to demonstrate that Israel can do whatever it wants, including exterminating the Palestinians, and Dems still won't meaningfully lose any votes. It's the same concept as Trump saying he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose any votes - here, it seems that Dems/Biden can do anything including funding and arming a genocide, and, under your hypothetical, they won't lose any votes. How does that enable anti-Zionists to get leverage? If anything, it encourages establishment politicians to disregard anti-Zionists and take them for granted.

Also,

Subtlety and nuance have never been a strength of populist movements, but the left should

I'm not bothered by this, but this sort of rhetoric is highly unpersuasive and will not cause you to persuade anyone to your point of view, which I assume is your goal. It makes it less likely that people will agree with you when you insult them. Especially when you imply there is something innate about them that prevents them from being as rational as you. It's othering, and it creates resentment, not changed views

The left has had a sizeable impact on Biden's domestic policies. Including the Inflation Reduction Act, American Rescue Plan, and the Bipartisan infrastructure Law.

The Biden administration has been funding and arming the Israeli genocide of Gaza

Both are true. And genocide is the worst thing a country can do. I learned that in 6th grade when we learned about the importance of ensuring "Never Again" re: the Holocaust

Israel's extermination of Gazans with our unwavering funding is not a "left" policy

Israel's Genocide that is only possible because of our unwavering political and military support, probably

Their primary system was rigged for decades. It was used to support establishment candidates and make it harder for social democrats and leftys to win because the democratic party is owned by corporate America and has been for decades

Right, which makes Trump look like a giant fucking loser for working repeatedly with WWE since the 80s.

Which is why the Dems/Nikki Haley/Jeb should have brought it up repeatedly

Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame.

His venues have hosted Wrestlemanias, and he and Vince had a hair vs hair feud that culminated in a Wrestlemania match - Trump won.

No idea why this isn't brought up more - the WWF in the late 90s was incredibly vulgar, racist, and sexist. And Trump intentionally associated with it. Why is that never discussed?

It was preclickbait articles written by alternative-adjacent freelance writers.

Aka, real people writing about real things. Some of which were vulgar. But life is vulgar. And so was the internet originally

I've never lived in a blue county

A lot of large organizations either explicitly or tacitly support Zionism, so this isn't surprising.

It's a shame that Israel's barbarism is once again causing people who are Jewish around the world to be causelessly scapegoated and blamed for a thing that they have no direct connection with. And many people who are Jewish are anti-Zionists. But we can't let the Zionists conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism - that is a repugnant feat of hasbara propaganda

The Gaza genocide must be opposed and it is at least positive that this seems to be waking up the world to the horrors of Zionist colonialism