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None of those things are lawfully happening today towards any immutable traits

This comment indicates that you don't know what "class" refers to

It refers to how you relate to the means of production. Whether you own the means of production, or whether you work for the people who do.

You are either an owner or a worker; a part of the bourgeoisie or a part of the proletariat.

It has nothing to do with income or decorum

But it's also not just about current stuff. It's about the generational trauma too

So white Jews should be beneficiaries of affirmative action in 2024?

Catholics were targets of the Ku Klux Klan. How should they be aided in 2024?

There is no such thing as the White Race. Slavs and Irish are not the same as WASPs.

There is far less sex happening today compared to recent decades. Which is a symptom of the broader loneliness epidemic

Provide unprecedented aid and create social programs that aid the working class and that would create the strongest and most generous welfare state on earth, stronger than even that which exists in Scandinavia

Which is what we must demand the Democrats support

I've told you

No you haven't.

Voting for Biden will not improve conditions for the working class. Voting for Trump will destroy the country

So what is to be done?

You act like America winning the revolution was the end of our trouble

I'm saying the opposite. We are a country born of violent revolution that was built on slavery, genocide, and imperialism

Currently, we are owned by oligarchs. They will not permit us to use elections to save the working class. Which is why we can prolong our demise with Biden, or experience our obliteration immediately with Trump. There is no better option and there never will be.

Given that, what should the working class do?

Every second you buy that avoids violent revolution

How was the United States created?

Voters can vote for Biden and maintain the stagnant and declining United States. Which will prolong our declining living standards and eroding global power

Or they can vote for Trump, who will destroy the United States, and the West along with it.

Neither is an option that will improve conditions for normal Americans. They can experience obliteration over 30 years, or experience it all at once. Either way, their living standards will continue to decline, as they have for the past 30 years. No option will ever be presented in the voting booth that will reverse our national decline.

Given that, what is to be done?

Voting seemingly cannot change a system that produces results where a superpower is owned by billionaires and genocide is supported if it enriches the military industrial complex

Which means that the working class seemingly must consider other avenues of structural reform. What alternatives remain?

Should they use their vote to resist the spread of white supremecy and authoritianism, yes.

Then Israel needs to be opposed, as do all ethnostates and genocidal regimes

Better than getting it from Nazi Germans

Maybe a country built on genocide and slavery is a bad idea that can't ever be fixed.

Agreed, but replacing the United States with a new state, one created with a Constitution 2.0 so to speak, would likely be sufficient if executed properly.

Fundamentally though, we need to remove the current ownership class from power and instead place power within the working class. Oligarchs cannot exist if a society is to be free from fascism

But incremental change will not ever fix our problems, not even if Biden-style dems are elected consecutively for the next 100 years.

Our very system is a threat to the living standards of normal Americans because our system has been taken over by billionaires/oligarchs. Therefore, the only way to fix it is structural change. Incrementalism is inherently insufficient. And a belief in incrementalism is a refusal to fully acknowledge the scale and scope of the problem.

Trump is popular because our system is rotten and is designed to empower the ownership class at the expense of the working class. Until that precise issue is resolved, we will never be nationally secure from domestic fascism

Are you talking about Israel or the United States?

Not to disagree with your point, Zionism should be opposed. But we shouldn't pretend the United States is any better

The United States could be better though. And we could start by opposing colonial states such as Israel

Mexican immigrants in the US aren’t trying to genocide existing residents and steal the entirety of their land

No, but that does describe how Americans treated Native Americans - they genocided them and stole their land.

It's no surprise then that the United States supports Israel doing the same in Palestine. The West has a long history of unrepentant colonialism - Israel is just a continuation of that legacy

the construction of settlements on someone else's land.

That's what the entirety of the State of Israel is: settlements on someone else's land.

It's also what the countries comprising the "New World" are as well, of course - from the Americas to Oceania. But it also describes Israel, and their colonization is ongoing today.

Did German citizens in the 1940s deserve what was coming to them?

Perhaps not, or at least certainly not all of them. And yet Hitler was lawfully elected, which means many of them voted for him. Netanyahu and Likud were also lawfully elected.

The question is, what responsibility do voters in a democracy hold for the actions of their democratically elected government? If fair and lawful elections are held, and the voters elect a government that enacts genocide, are those voters liable? Historically the answer to that question has been no. But is that the correct answer? If so, then should American Trump voters also be held liable for his national crimes? What about voters for George W. Bush?

Perhaps greater responsibility would cause the world's voters to be more selective in whom they support.

How did Dems do so well in the 2022 and 2020 and 2018 elections?

And why are a record number of congressional Democrats currently members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus?