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antonim @ antonim @lemmy.dbzer0.com Posts 59Comments 527Joined 2 yr. ago
Antisemitic conspiracy theorists would certainly be glad to send you extensive "evidence" that e.g. the Russian revolution was also supported by Jews, or various other political manipulations that they've supposedly carried out (why only limit it to toppling governments?). Now, as I've talked with these people enough times, I found it is impossible to spend days trying to check all the nonsense they may throw at me, and in general any discussion of any topic ever could be extended into eternity. What is perfectly reasonable is to abstract the individual case and figure out how it may plausibly be explained by itself. Antisemitic nonsense always fails here. In this case, so does your ascription of 1956 to CIA based on this particular document. The wider picture is different, as I've already said, it's simply much more logical that CIA has supported anti-communist movements than that the antisemitic bullshit about the Jews is true. But if your standards are low enough to be convinced by a conjecture as weak as this one, that does lead me to worry about whether your general conviction on CIA's actions is well-founded either.
I mean it is very obvious that you don't want to inquire into this any further or discuss the contents and context of the document, I've simply checked Wikipedia on Kiraly and it looks like I've already done more research about it than you have. All you have are implications, you haven't addressed the chronology, who was active where and when...
if I hear about a black person who was found strung up from a tree in the 20’s, I’m gonna go, “Huh, seems like it was probably white supremacists like the KKK”
This is a good comparison too - "in the 20's", you say, but the document you posted is not from the relevant decade, and is even from a different continent.
Besides, even just ctrl+F'ing "CIA" in the Wikipedia article on the revolution shows that yes, CIA did emit materials that were meant to stoke the Hungarians' desire for revolt. It's literally on Wikipedia, it's no CIA-hidden secret at all! And if they were active that way, maybe they also funded some of the people and organisations in Hungary at the time? That doesn't sound unreasonable to me as an otherwise uninformed person on the topic. But is that idea corroborated by this new document? No.
If an organization exists that has the ability to cover up it’s involvement in things like this reliably and very rarely leaves behind hard evidence, and I’m a rando trying to piece together what happened 70 years later, then it seems like circumstantial evidence is the best I could reasonably expect to find.
This is word for word the logic of right wing conspiracy theorists who ascribe every thing they don't like to Jews.
Have you actually tried to piece it together, though? Have you at the very least googled who these people are, what sort of plausible chronology could be reconstructed, anything? Have you noticed that Kiraly, who was involved in the 1956 revolution and subsequently left the country, lived in US at the time of the letter (1963)? Is it not worthy of considering that the HFFF Inc. was based in the US and was founded by Kiraly and similar Hungarians in exile?
There are people with the exact same resources as you, i.e. the internet, already discussing this seriously and digging for more info and trying to figure out what can be reasonably concluded: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AHungarian_Revolution_of_1956#JFK_files
This isn’t a court of law where the standard is either, “100%, beyond any reasonable doubt, or they didn’t do it.”
In court of law, an admission is pretty solid proof. Your meme says the involvement was admitted. I guess it wouldn't look as convincing or funny if the meme said they admitted they funded some organisation outside of Hungary 7 years after the actual event.
you can keep imagining that this Hungarian Freedom Fighters org connected to the CIA was, I don’t know, selling dinner plates or something
Your arguments are growing thin. Your narrative is actually made up of vague connections with a 7-year gap. I don't even intend to suggest to know what HFFF actually did or whether CIA was involved in 1956 Hungary, my point is only that this is neither admission nor meaningful proof of anything other than that they did fund some dissidents outside Hungary in 1963. (They obviously funded dissidents all over the place throughout the decades, I mean, they'd be crazy not to, and 1956 Hungary wouldn't surprise me either, I suppose.)
See, while trawling through these JFK files right wingers have already found a connection with Jews, as tenuous as it is, and tout it as solid proof it was them who had JFK killed, because after all we already know Jews are nefarious and evil, and clearly any weak connection to JFK's death is good enough - of course (((they've))) scrubbed the proof, etc. so internet randos can go creative. Or maybe some higher standards for proof would be in order...
What was this group? Do you have any info on when and where it was actually active and what were its intents? Do you know anything about this incorporated (???) organisation aside from its name and that it was supported by CIA in 1963?
the way that CIA funded groups were doing all over the globe at this time
This is not how any historical event can be meaningfully approached. You're not an oracle, intuitions and insinuations are not proof, please use actual data, show actual connections and explanations of the claims regarding the 1956 revolution.
There was no uprising in Hungary in 1953. There was one in 1956, but it does not seem that this "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation, Inc." participated in it (I mean, an "Inc." in socialist Hungary?). And the letter that this text mentions is all the way from 1963.
Can't you people read the actual text and check whether this all makes any sense? Can't you just Google one or two key words?
"Observations by Pliny the Elder"... I love the fact that someone is still reading ancient ass proto-science, but it really really has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Yeah, I'd sooner say the situation is reverse, social studies would move slower and less "definitively" than natural sciences. I'm into linguistics and literature and for me it's nothing unusual to use scholarship and materials all the way from the 19th century. Of course, when you're working with old literature or old language, you need old materials too... To me it's very interesting and important to know what Aristotle thought of Homer, while it's perfectly irrelevant for a doctor to know what Galen thought of the humours or for a chemist what Newton thought of alchemy.
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While I was looking for an alternative to Goodreads, which was widely known to be horrible long before the recent push against these big corpos, I tried BookWyrm (my first contact with the fediverse). I like their approach and wish them success, but what put me off is exactly what you say, the data they use is messy and lacks a lot of info. E.g. one of the things that makes (or at least made) GR satisfying is the visual aspect, you get these cool charts with the book covers, but Open Library doesn't have covers on so many books. So should I go to Google Images and add covers for 80% of my "library" of like 500 books? Lots of work.
For comparison, TMDb, which is the source of data for Letterboxd, seems to have about as high-quality if not better data than IMDb that it is an alternative to (idk if it's FOSS though?).
I've manually added many dozens books to Goodreads, so I'm not against assisting a site I use and enjoy. (Ofc at this point I regret improving that garbage site.) But the lack of data on BookWyrm was just too much even for me.
So in the end I just switched to the simplest solution: LibreOffice Calc. But we do need an alternative to GR. I came across BookBrainz a few years ago, it was still early in development. Today it might be better, I should give it a shot and maybe add some data there...
I’m not sure if #ebooks mirrors Libgen. I wouldn’t be surprised if they copy from each other.
It is unclear to me what's the method to upload to #ebooks. I've uploaded some obscure books to Libgen in the past, so I checked whether they're available on #ebooks, and they're not. So... they don't mirror each other. I checked both UnderNet and IRCHighway, and the latter even directed me to these websites in case I'm looking for textbooks. It doesn't seem like an adequate replacement for LG, at least for my purposes.
I have allergies against ads, countdowns, etc. The interweb is polluted with that stuff and so are most piracy sites.
As I've said, this is not a big issue with the sites listed on the uptime tracker I linked. Libgen.is and Z-library have neither (the latter has daily download limits per IP), AA has a countdown (not always), and libgen.li has ads (which I had no idea about until I saw other people mentioning it, thanks to uBlock).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't #ebooks basically just mirror Libgen?
Among the major book downloading websites, only libgen.li has ads, and only Anna's Archive has a countdown.
It's been offline for like a month, maybe more, I haven't kept track. I don't know any details, maybe there's info on their forums, but overall the owners are quite secretive.
Wait until you hear of Vance criticising Trump.
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YSK: Use ‘a’ when the word starts with a consonant sound, and ‘an’ when it starts with a vowel sound
Kruschev
Actually Khrushchev. For some reason, х gets converted to kh. The rest is slightly stupid but at least understandable why it is so - щ was historically ш+ч, thus sh+ch (this pronunciation is still normal in Ukrainian, but not in Russian anymore), and the 'e' is just based on the usual spelling.
If the Russians remove too much from the Far East though, China is going to rename Vladivostok to Haishenwai.
Are there any real pretensions on the territory on China's part? It sounds like it would just cause more problems than it's worth (though it's not like that fact prevented Putin from attacking Ukraine), and possibly kill off BRICS.
I hope you're right. Because in general the reaction of the Russian population to the war has been so meek, I'm starting to doubt it would be any different once recruitment starts hitting the biggest cities.
How did you even do that, assuming you didn't prevent your usage of computers and smartphones altogether? Just sheer willpower?
It looks like Buni, which doesn't contain captions.
Nah, he's already an expert.
In Croatian: palačinka (accentuated: palačínka, IPA: /palat͡ʃǐːŋka/, plural: palačínke). The origin is: Greek πλακοῦς (LS: "flat cake"), πλακόεντα > Latin placenta (OLD: "A kind of flat cake") > Romanian plăcintă > Hungarian palacsinta > Austrian German Palatschinke > Croatian palačinka. As Croatia has spent much of its history as a part of Austria-Hungary, its culture has left a strong mark especially on the northern dialects and the culinary practices there.
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However, Croatian pancakes are very thin and bigger in surface than American ones. They're made of batter, we usually fill them with jam and roll them up and eat like that (some other fillings are in use too, ofc). My sister sometimes buys herself some American pancakes, way thicker and covered in chocolate cream, and the rest of the family is always mildly horrified by them, lol. It's pretty much two different dishes IMO. Palačinke would probably better correspond to crêpes, but we don't have different words to distinguish American pancakes from crêpes...