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to fool into errors

tricking a kid

I've never tried to fool or trick AI with excessively complex questions. When I tried to test it (a few different models over some period of time - ChatGPT, Bing AI, Gemini) I asked stuff as simple as "what's the etymology of this word in that language", "what is [some phenomenon]". The models still produced responses ranging from shoddy to absolutely ridiculous.

completely detached from how anyone actually uses

I've seen numerous people use it the same way I tested it, basically a Google search that you can talk with, with similarly shit results.

Well, just personally speaking, I know Russian, and reading Russian news sources (state-owned as well as those that have been banned by the Russian state) from time to time, and talking with Russians directly, hasn't even remotely convinced me that the "Russian empire" is equally bad as the "western empire".

If I look or go outside, I'll notice the blizzard, and adapt accordingly (get a scarf, umbrella...). If there's a blizzard but I don't even look outside to notice it, that means I don't have to adapt to it, and thus not even be informed of its existence.

I believed it completely at first too, perhaps we even saw the same headline...

I've already seen this exact same claim these days, so now I decided to try and find out what's happening exactly.

https://www.dw.com/en/indiadropsevolution/a-65804720

Apparently, it happened last year, not just now, as you said, and I'm sure I've already seem someone else (maybe on Lemmy, maybe on reddit) also describe it as a very recent event.

However I can't find absolutely anything else regarding the topic. So I tried googling in Hindi instead, with the help of some machine translation.

https://www.aajtak.in/education/news/story/pythagoras-theorem-has-vedic-has-roots-karnataka-panel-proposes-to-sanskrit-as-a-third-language-1496805-2022-07-10

This is the only piece of news I've managed to find, again not very recent, and not nearly as dramatic as the DW article makes it out to be. Some official has described the Pythagorean theorem as 'fake news' because that same theorem had already been developed in India before Pythagoras, i.e. the point is that the name is a misnomer. They say nothing about removing the theorem.

The reduction of teaching of the periodic table and evolution that DW mentions is also explained in the PDF that the article links as mere reorganisation of the topics due to the circumstances (difficulties in teaching during corona). They don't suggest actual removal of the topics. (The PDF is an official explanation from the Indian "National Council of Educational Research and Training".)

I'm getting the impression DW is just fearmongering. Ideally there should be some article with exact and complete quotes in Hindi. I know that media freedom in India is not great (esp. considering the situation with Wikipedia), and it's probably not easy to get to the bottom of it, but this story looks very suspicious.

Isnt the dog the first thing people think of when seeing “doge”?

It used to be so, but in recent several years Doge has lived and pretty much been defined in public consciousness by the cryptocurrency, which Musk has openly endorsed/memed.

but it’s not a place you go for open and honest discussions between people from both sides of the aisle

Where do you go for such discussions anyway?

If you're thinking of American right-wingers and fascists who are currently celebrating Trump's victory, I must say their view of the world is so dark, negative and pessimistic, that nobody could really describe it as utopia-like. This is a brief respite for them, nothing more.

If you're thinking more abstractly, or of some very specific incredibly lucky people, then I guess it could be so.

Yeah, totally makes sense, "they" attacked IA one month in advance before the elections, knowing that IA would spend around a month rewriting and improving their site code until the Save Page option would be enabled again (unless IA themselves are a part of the plot???), so that news articles could be "edited on the fly" (with what result?) until the election day, while other similar web archiving services such as archive.is would keep working just fine.

clbottomt when the chtopt shows up [imagine this as that popular GIF meme]

Thanks. It's a part of history I know very little about.

I meant the "for over a hundred years" part specifically, I bolded it but it's not as noticeable as it should be.

the US a terrorist nation for couping democratically elected leader in favour of dictators for over a hundred years

Is this really true?

And that's more or less what I was aiming for, so we're back at square one. What you wrote is in line with my first comment:

it is a weak compliment for AI, and more of a criticism of the current web search engines

The point is that there isn't something that makes AI inherently superior to ordinary search engines. (Personally I haven't found AI to be superior at all, but that's a different topic.) The difference in quality is mainly a consequence of some corporate fuckery to wring out more money from the investors and/or advertisers and/or users at the given moment. AI is good (according to you) just because search engines suck.

Reminds me of the "help me budget this" meme.

"Have fewer genocides."

"No."

Germans excused Holocaust by... saying that it would prevent trans genocide?

This is too stupid even for a troll.

Then, you end up finishing the game

I.e. you do win...

AI LLMs simply are better at surfacing it

Ok, but how exactly? Is there some magical emergent property of LLMs that guides them to filter out the garbage from the quality content?

If you don't feel like discussing this and won't do anything more than deliberately miss the point, you don't have to reply to me at all.

they’re a great use in surfacing information that is discussed and available, but might be buried with no SEO behind it to surface it

This is what I've seen many people claim. But it is a weak compliment for AI, and more of a criticism of the current web search engines. Why is that information unavailable to search engines, but is available to LLMs? If someone has put in the work to find and feed the quality content to LLMs, why couldn't that same effort have been invested in Google Search?