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What makes you think we have class?

Well for one thing many creators use them. In general too much of a risk of backlash for too small of a gain, and probably a lot of effort.

I think without breaking tools like yt-dlp they can't, and I don't really think YouTube wants to go there or else they would have already. Most users aren't tech-savvy, so if they can persuade the majority of people to turn off their "adblockers" that's enough of a win for them. Hopefully, anyway.

This only seems to cover the US?

I haven't yet but I presume that's because I don't have an account - which according to the article they're targeting people by account.

Take it with a pinch of salt like all regional stereotypes, but Norfolk, England tends to have this one in the UK (Norwich, which others have mentioned, is in Norfolk).

I think the equivalent would be walking up to someone who's talking, telling them to "shut up", and walking off without explanation (let's say this is at at a setting like a party where you're invited to interact but are under no obligation to).

This is what I'm banking on - I suspect it'll be like all the other times the UK government tried to break the internet, nothing will actually happen.

I like it because I put all my RSS feeds there (podcasts, blogs, etc.), for RSS purposes it does everything I want and more than many of the dedicated RSS clients do. Then, if I can get my email there too, I don't have to open my web browser all the time, which is more efficient.

That's quite a negative interaction though isn't it? Can you think of a real life equivalent expression of a drive-by downvote that wouldn't be considered rude?

Also, why do you think they would care what you think if you're not going to engage more? If I have a comment that gets lots of downvotes and no other engagement, it's hardly going to change my view, all I'll think is "people around here aren't very friendly". I think it just contributes to a hostile atmosphere online (and don't get me wrong, I've been guilty of doing it too).

Conversations are a two-way process requiring effort from both sides to work well. If they feel like it's not worth their time I would rather they just didn't engage in the first place. Like you said they're not owed a response, that also means you don't have to give one.

I think the same could be said for upvotes as well - I remember the days before upvotes or "likes" were a thing and I don't think their invention ever really improved anything. I'm mostly talking about downvotes because that's what the topic is about, and maybe they are more likely to contribute to a negative atmosphere.

Yes, nobody owes any kind of response, but if you're using it as a form of communication why wouldn't you want to make sure you're understood in the way you intended?

But isn't it ambiguous what a downvote means? Did they not think it was relevant, did they not like the opinion, the tone, the style of phrasing, etc. etc.? Or are they saying you're factually wrong (which is also another way it gets used)? Also a downvote may not be interpreted in the same way that the downvoter intended. I think it's better that people just say what they think.

Also, if they can't be bothered to properly express their opinion, is it really that important? I think the default sense is indifference not acceptance. Anecdotally speaking I've observed that echo chambers have only got worse since voting has become a thing.

I vaguely remember some old forum doing something like that years ago. I can't remember exactly what happened but I remember there was some kind of downside, like people spamming upvotes towards the end of the day to use up their quota or something.

I'm surprised, it's one of the larger instances. Just be aware that Beehaw doesn't federate as widely as most instances - in my opinion you get a better signal-to-noise ratio like that but not everyone wants it.

Having experienced platforms with just upvotes, and platforms with up/downvotes, I really think downvotes are bad - for me at least.

I think it encourages laziness - much easier to just downvote someone than actually critique them. It also makes me hesitate to post something mildly controversial or against the grain through fear of being penalised. I'm speaking for myself here - I'm guilty of both of those things.

That's one of the reasons I'm on Beehaw, because Beehaw doesn't federate downvotes I can neither see them nor give them - and it just feels like a much nicer Lemmy experience - and I feel like it makes me automatically nicer to people as well.

(n.b. You can hide downvotes in settings on any instance, but you can still see them by hovering over the score and it still affects comment ranking - unless you're on Beehaw or something else that does similar)

I feel like if this was on Reddit there would be people commenting "Based USA".

Like others, I remember when they were the new exciting upcoming distro. Though Fedora was my main daily driver at the time, I test drove 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) - it came with a video of Nelson Mandela (unless I'm embarrassingly misremembering), I still have the CD somewhere.

I ended up eventually using the LTS's 6.06 (Dapper Drake), 8.04 (Hardy Heron) for a lot of things, good memories, until eventually falling out with them over Unity and the Amazon thing.

That would make me kind of proud!

I don't change my clocks for daylight saving time and live on permanent winter time all year, and just do the conversion in my head when dealing with the outside world.

For some reason this really confuses some people and I get all kinds of questions about it whenever the clocks change.

I think it's perfectly reasonable and think people setting their clocks to the wrong time for half the year is strange.