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It's not my place to tell him how he can use his people's word.

Oh, it didn't work? I guess that just means the dems need to move further to the right. Why would the left do this to us?

And with VP, Eric Trump, the republicans don't stand a chance! Surely this time the moderate republicans will vote democrat. And the dem base has to vote for the lesser evil, so that means 99% of Americans will vote democrat!

They were paraded around Washington. Here's the Mujahedin meeting with Reagan in the oval office for a photo op.

I don't see any country being able to engineer coups by supporting terrorists as effectively as the US, so I don't see Russia or other local powers replacing the US's influence in countries where the left presents a meaningful alternative to neoliberalism.

Cheap energy, labor, and resources and a slightly greater degree of independence from America.

This was always Ukraine's fate.

The OG coup happened under the Obama admin, the far-right were forced into government under Trump pt I, Ukraine was forced to sell off state assets and take billions in loans by the Biden admin, and now the US is preparing to pick the bones clean over the next decades.

It's nice that yall are recognizing that the US isn't there to help the Ukrainian people now, but we're all gonna repeat this next war.

The Mujaheddin did need help, they needed weapons, bombs, intelligence, diplomatic support, booby traps specifically procured by the CIA. The US provided it.

And then back home, they used their contacts in the media to make sure everyone knew that the Mujaheddin were the good guys worthy of America's support, even if they were not officially receiving it. Americans, Mujaheddin, and Soviets all understood the US supported the Mujaheddin, even if there was a layer of plausible deniability. It's why the Soviets asked the US to stop the attacks on Soviet soldiers during the pullout and not Pakistan.

The american people were told to see the Mujaheddin as their ally, and the Mujaheddin understood it was the US supporting them.

Yall know he's pro-Israel right?

Most Hollywood actors have garbage geopolitical takes. The only exceptions I can think of are Boots Riley, Roger Waters, and Pedro Pascal.

The CIA using the ISI to transport some weapons and train soldiers isn't "this ISI did everything therefore the Mujahedin weren't supported by the US", it's "the ISI were a tool of the CIA", the operation was run out of Washington. It had US media providing glowing coverage of the Mujahedin as they committed war crimes.

Eh, while they're part of maintaining the status quo, we're ruled by capital, and that was true before Kennedy too.

What are they supposed to do? Tell their audience to run into the woods and start a protracted people's war? Get in non-productive arguments with even less-informed chatters?

Referring to another nationality as animals is dehumanizing in contexts like this.

That's not how Operation Cyclone worked. You can just read the wikipedia article, there's several books on the subject, but honestly Blowback Season 4 is pretty good coverage. Episode 3 specifically deals with who at the CIA interfaced with the afghans and how.

It also includes the methods the US promoted the mujahedin as freedom fighters to the US before ultimately turning on them, which is what the meme is about.

Sure, and Russia had their right-wing coup in 1991, and America is currently doing a self-coup.

See, I can't tell if you're talking about America, Russia, or Ukraine.

Ukraine was always getting stripped of its resources and immiserated; the IMF loan required them to privatize and sell off their ports, power grids, factories, schools, etc for pennies.

Between 2003 and 2011, the CIA even captured and handed over enemies from all over the world, along with providing intelligence about dissidents within Libya.

As far as OBL goes, the US armed and trained his faction against the soviets during the soviet-afghan war.

Qadaffi kinda was between ~2003 and 2011. The CIA even captured and handed over enemies from all over the world, along with providing intelligence about dissidents within Libya.

Is it illegal to have a tank in your basement?