alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer] @ alcoholicorn @hexbear.net

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Is being an asshole back to the guy really productive, here or in general?

I've seen more posts complaining about Hexbear than actual objectionable things they've done

I've seen a few posts from instances we've never federated with claiming outlandish things about hexbear such as that we're unmoderated, controlled by ExplodingHeads, overwhelmed the moderation team at Lemmy.world (who once again, we were never federated with), accusations of racism/misogyny/transphobia, etc. There's at least a couple people who're just making shit up, but that's to be expected.

That's not to say everything you hear about us is fabricated, I'm sure most of it is misunderstanding, a smaller portion people picking things in bad faith, and only a tiny minority straight up lying.

edit- There's one of those weaselly little liars right in this thread!

"Ukraine shouldn't even exist, long live CCCP"

That doesn't sound like something that would be posted on Hexbear, except in The Dunk Tank.

It's the kind of concern a nationalist would feel, Leftists don't typically ascribe human traits to states, rather they're evaluated by how the affect the people within. When we say Israel shouldn't exist, we're not talking about the land or the people, we're talking about the state keeping over half the population disenfranchised and in inhuman conditions.

Not spending any more blood to enrich Raytheon's shareholders and strip the copper out of Ukraine's walls is infinitely greater concern than what flag flies over Kiev to us.

Calling anything posted to Hexbear "bigoted" is truly staggering

I had the same reaction, but a user admitted to it. I didn't see the original comment, but the fact that they're not banned suggests they misspoke or something.

downvotes

Must have been from another instance. We can only upvote.

Hexbear removed downvotes because some transphobes were using sock accounts to manipulate votes and create a hostile environment for our trans comrades. This has the added effect of encouraging people comment if they disagree rather than silently downvoting. In the short term, it makes threads as chaotic as this one, but in the long term, everyone gets a more nuanced understanding of the issue even if they don't come to an agreement.

Just for the record, nobody thinks you need to individually give up your houses. These are systemic critiques, the contradictions of capitalism aren't solvable by capitalists and landlords being more generous.

If the owners did all decide to be more generous, they'd eventually get out-competed more effective capitalists as the tendency for the rate of profit to decline squeezes them tighter.

You want a thing to be given away for free without compensation.

Except I do want you to be compensated, for the labor of building the home. Everything beyond that is theft.

What you really want is others to give you an equal share even though you haven't done anything to earn it and I fucking have.

You are the one expecting others to work for free. You are demanding a greater amount of wealth from the renter than you've produced.

To put it another way, construction and property management are forms of labor and deserve compensation for the wealth they've created. Landlord is not.

Pol Pot

The fascist whose faction was put in power by the US, that was overthrown by Vietnamese communists? Whose gov't-in-exile the US supported against the communist People's Republic of Cambodia until 1993?

That's some "hitler was a socialist"-level bs

This is the kind of thing I really hate to see. It's the reason I'm going to be leaving

I'm sorry. I do hope you come around to at least tolerating leftist perspectives before you leave for an echo chamber. That all wealth is created by labor is one of the core leftist beliefs, you'll find anarchists, communists, democratic socialists, etc all agree on that.

where are you expecting people to live?

In houses. There's dozens of vacant homes for every homeless person. Just as capitalism requires some people be hungry to maximize profit of food, it requires some people be homeless to maximize profit of landlords.

These homes are owned by someone- they worked/paid/built them themselves.

The people who build houses deserve to be compensated for their labor. Owning a house on the other hand, is not labor.

Why do you think these people who have toiled for 40+years should just give you there invested money/work for free?

Rent isn't compensation for the construction of a home, otherwise the renter would own the home after 20 years of renting paid off the mortgage.

Why are they evil for using something they have worked for to help themselves?

I'd categorize the parasitic relationship as evil, but as for judging individual people for the poverty and homelessness caused by that relationship, it's more complicated as we live under capitalism.

Inevitably someone like you comes along and just shitposts this same rhetoric you just did with no logical backing behind it other than "evil landlords must die and be redistributed"

Are you talking about the description of the cultural revolution in that one province in China people post? In the context of generations of peasants seeing their children die of starvation-related disease or conscripted never to return, the people were more merciful and practical than just. It's easy to criticize any change if you ignore the violence of the status quo. To quote Mark Twain:

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

How is a house different from a farm? Or a rail system? Or a insert anything created by someone and used for personal gain?

It's not.

https://twitter.com/FilthyHeretic

Liberalism is defined by support of capitalism, the two terms can often be used interchangeably.

You're looking at anarchism, communism, democratic socialism if you're opposed to capitalism.

Though experience tells me a lot of the people going "fuck capitalism" just want the capitalists and politicians to be a little less greedy and give some more crumbs to the working class within the imperial core.

OwO=Dangerous levels of furry

Yes, the gazelle can feed your family for a week, the rhino horn can feed them for a year.

people don't deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.

I'm not gonna defend the state of the dealership system, but from what I hear, getting Teslas fixed is awful in unique ways.

Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world.

They're the largest by stock price, but in EVs/year they were surpassed by a chinese company a couple years ago, and both traditional and new companies are closing the gap Tesla got from all the early capital that was dumped into them. They never came close if you include non-electric cars.

Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering.

There's tons of electric cars at the price point Tesla offers, with a fraction of the issues. One thing I did notice is other companies limit what they're willing to import into the US to avoid competing with more expensive models (eg, no company imports cheap electric convertibles or station wagon because they'd compete with higher-end electric cars and SUVs/pickups respectively), but I'm not aware of any market segment that doesn't have a competitive non-tesla equivalent.

Awhile ago, someone counted the number of local news stories of people getting immolated by their Teslas. It was more per car sold than the Ford Pinto.

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Sanctions are not collective punishment

Not according to the state department. They themselves say the reason they use sanctions is to cause as much pain to the people as possible so they're more likely to overthrow the gov't, or failing that, be softer targets for military intervention.

DPRK did invade the RoK

The RoK was doing genocide and had been recognized as the gov't of all of Korea in the UN due to the US's machinations, a gov't whose election was rigged in the south, and absent in the north. The elections the north arranged were of course, ignored.

The DPRK saw that their position was unsustainable and struck while they still stood a chance. The war started when the people of the DPRK were faced with an existential threat.

Which is kind of similar to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, but nobody here is gonna pretend Russia are the good guys, just that they're fighting a greater evil.

Also also, China has reserved a spot on its equivalent of the National Mall for when it takes Taiwan back.

Do you think the RoC can feasibly remain independent forever?

Eventually either PRC is gonna be able to make them a better deal than what the failing American empire can, or they'll make long-term peaceful integration infeasible, necessitating short-term, violent integration.

And have NATO 500 miles from Moscow and all of Russia's industry? That would be suicidal, Everyone remembers Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.

Also the reason the west is extending the war is because they too want land and resources. This is a war between two bourgeois dictatorships

surely it's their choice?

Should the people in the areas that voted to secede from Ukraine after the gov't banned their language and supported military units shelling them right up until the day of the invasion have a choice?

But regarding the rest of Ukraine, every gun, weapon, and bomb we've sent there is a bad day for someone, statistically mostly civilians. They're not fighting for freedom, they're being sacrificed so that the Ukrainian land, gov't, and businesses are owned by westerners instead of Russians. The only correct position is to oppose your own nation's involvement.

Also CCP was used to associate with CCCP to help recycle a century of anti-soviet propaganda.

You were correct the first time.

clever newspeak

If that's what you want to call it. I was just using the old-timey term to contextualize US actions in Ukraine/China/Iran/DPRK/Niger among the hundred other wars waged for the same purpose over the last couple centuries.