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There is a total of 0 chance that India would actively aid Russia in a war against NATO. Especially if Modi and Trump are the respective heads of state.

This is a good point and one I would explore further. However, it leaves open exceptions where the evidence is overwhelming.

And you trust the state to make that decision? Or a jury?

Currently, as far as I know, there is only one strong argument against the death penalty, and it has to do with moral proscriptions against treating the death of a person as a spectacle, which I notice nobody mentioned.

Nah I think not killing innocent people is a pretty strong argument, death being a spectacle doesn't really matter to me- someone killing someone is much worse than the part where they post it on LiveLeak

Yet being suspicious of the state makes you a radical or a narcissist

After all, psychopathy is responsible for almost every evil you can see in the world today from famine to poverty and war.

I don't know, I think presuming you know the reasons and effects of things has led to some pretty harmful outcomes over the years.

I’m actually shocked the “limited small govt” crowd isn’t anti death penalty

trust me a lot of them are

2, 3

I'm 21, from a blue county in a reddish state, it seems mostly 50/50

Why do they ask member stations to contribute financially then? And ask for funding

Yep, but this discussion is specifically about quality

That's not true, you can click on a country.... It has 4 components, safety is 1 of them

The US congressional research service thinks EU subsidies are more spread out among all types of crops, including fruits and vegetables, whereas US policy focuses more on grains, sugars, dairy, and oil seeds:

Okay, but the data I just showed showed that Americans eat similar amounts to European countries of those things. A lit bit on the lower end of oils, definitely on the lower end of grain consumption, on the higher end of non-tuber, non-grain fruit and vegetable consumption, and a little bit on the lower end of dairy consumption. (And some European countries eat much more dairy)

That's not a direct subsidy of food processing of course, but the crops the US chooses to support ends up incentivizing it.

Yes, but Americans eat less of those crops and more fruits, vegetables, and meat.

Cultural factors are a thing but I think they're used far too often to explain away trends at the population level and the effects of public policy.

I agree, another big part is that Americans are able to afford it, a lot of fast food chains for example have been billed as a bit of a more luxury choice internationally as compared to the US, just because the prices are similar to US prices but wages are much lower. Basically labor costs are lower in the agricultural centers of the EU- and manufacturing machinery costs are higher.

What? I don't think you understood what I said, please reread it.

1. It was teasing
2. I said there is a income motive

FYI, the US doesn't use more antiobiotics in livestock than Europe in general, and uses much less than some European countries

I know you said hormones but I couldn't find data for that before I decided its time to go to sleep.

What? 1 in 1200 is very rare

The second reason is that while both the US and EU have farming subsidies, the way these subsidies are structured means that in the US they tend to incentivize the use of high fructose corn syrup

Yes, but that is actually not solely subsidies- but also overregulation. Sugar imports are taxed. Though, it would be better for people's health to try to transition away from caloric sugars to substitutes like aspartame.

the production of highly processed foods

Source?

highly processed foods tend to be more expensive and “whole foods” tend to be cheaper.

This is just the blog of a guy selling a book.

As a result people in the EU tend to eat less processed food as a percentage of their caloric intake:

So we were talking about supply, not consumption. But regardless, yes americans choose to eat processed foods more on average. So? The predominant cheap form of calories/proteins in Europe are cereals and tubers, those aren't exactly lacking in the US. (Btw, its just because they're cheap everywhere,

Though its not like either Americans or Europeans are significantly different in food group consumption for the most part The other differences being a much higher preference for meat in the US, also supported by the US actually getting majority of its protein from meat sources

Americans can afford raw potatoes too, they choose not to buy it. In fact, despite buying meat something supposedly 25% of Europeans cannot afford to eat every second day(though I don't believe that statistic to be honest)- Americans spend significantly less of their budget on food.

And to preempt a possible argument, American antiobiotic use in livestock is on par with some of Europe and much lower than some of Europe

For starters, you seem to be falling into the trap of comparing the food you eat when you visit a place and go to restaurants with the food you eat at home and have to cook from available ingredients.

No. I lived in the US for the first 18 years of my life.

unless you’re talking about the local culinary tradition alone

Sort of both, of course metropolises will have a lot of immigrant cuisine, but I've found at least in continental Europe(I can't speak for the UK) that immigrants often tone down stronger flavors in restaurant food- immigrant foods I grew up with are also harder to find in Europe(Czech Republic doesn't have any Ethiopian restaurants for example, and at least the ones I went to in Vienna were not very good).

the US to doesn’t really have a local culinary tradition

That's simply untrue. Just because foods had foreign inspiration has nothing to do if its locally american food, from Chinese-American Chinese food, to American Pizza, to more traditionally american foods like chilli and gumbo(and other cajun food), american style bbq and fried chicken- etc. Tempura being based on fried foods brought by Portugese doesn't make it not Japanese.

As for the rest, in my experience all large international cities in the West

What does the west mean to you? But yeah I would agree large international cities all have immigrants, though I would argue the US has much better coverage of a variety of foods in smaller/medium sized cities. But that's also not exactly relevant. I didn't say the US as a whole is not terrible compared to large international western cities, I said compared to the rest of the world- then mentioned specifically countries(or regions) that I believe to have blander food than the US(on average).

(Even smaller places like Berlin, Amsterdam or Brussels have great variety of food in restaurants).

... Smaller places are not capital cities of major countries for the most part. And those are actually bigger than many European capital cities, and Berlin is very large.

The point I’m making is about the “average” (hence why I actually used the word “average” in my post),

You're talking about the average but listing above average cities. Compare Louisville, KY, a very average american city in terms of food, size, and income, to Prague, CZ, a capital city twice the size- there is far more variety of food available in Louisville, the only thing keeping Prague alive in terms of options is the Vietnamese immigrant community.

not the way outside the average places which are the main cities and it’s about the food people normally eat, and that doesn’t mean the restaurant trade

Again, I have found more variety and quality of produce in stores in the US- stores that I tend to go to in the US also tend to have more variety in general. But that's mostly because in the US its common to drive to larger stores, rather than going to smaller local stores- and big stores in Europe also of course have a lot of options. (Something very weird though, I was cooking chilli for my partner and I- and we could only find ground beef mixed with pork in our local grocers and not purely ground beef- but that's just a weird quirk of our area.)

which tends to be great pretty much in any large city of the World in any nation rich enough to attract people from all over the place.

From restaurants that tend to be affordable? No, I don't agree. I keep mentioning Ethiopian food just because its something important to me that would be impractical for me to cook myself, but all of Poland didn't have an Ethiopian restaurant until about a year ago. (Granted the one that opened in Warsaw now is very good.)

I never said they did

You’re accusing a highly respected and frequently audited charity of embezzlement?

No? I never said anything about embezzlement.

Or you think from their public documents that they pay their employees too much?

I also never said that.

Here's an example:

If you work for a public park, you're probably going to support more money for the park for a lot of reasons, but here are just a few:

1. the park may be able to afford to pay you more.
2. the park may be able to afford hiring more people making your job easier.
3. you likely care about the park to some extent and want other people to enjoy it.
4. you want where you work and spend your time to be liked.
5. you are less likely to be at risk of losing your job.

None of those things are embezzlement or suggest you're overpaid.

They run programming that they suspect will get them money, either through donations or government funding- because for those working to get raises the organization needs to have money. (As well as other reasons of course)