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For these people they’re alive and public knowledge of their crimes can give further consequences leading into my main mixed feelings

When it's a politically-motivated crime, shame just doesn't work as a punishment or deterrent. Instead, it's a medal to put on their chest.

Brock (the rapist) Turner this can be a way of society providing the punishment that a pay to win justice system didn’t provide out of privilege

I think exile (or its equivalent) fall under Cruel and Unusual punishment. I think we shouldn't look for mobs or media to be the forces of justice; we should be demanding the justice system to clean its act up, and holding them accountable for these miscarriages.

but on the other hand some people support these crimes and will celebrate them and also is it right to do and does it hinder rehabilitation?

This here. We can't stop these criminals being treated like heroes for attempting to replace our democracy with tyranny. We can stop advertising that they did what they did.

Exactly. It should be anonymized in the media. "400 traitors, terrorists, and bigots have faced justice for their 1/6 actions, with more convictions coming in every day" <--that is the headline we should have. Few names, few faces, just facts.

Does this guy really need the national fame with MAGA that comes with making it on NBC? I don't get it. We've already had 400 convictions. This is a random kid that pled guilty to civil disorder and got 2 months in prison.

If anything, an article should question how someone whose allocution contradicts the evidence got 2 months despite the prosecutor pushing for a year.

The release version was kinda bad. It left a sour taste in a lot of folks' mouths. I used that to buy a copy on clearance for $20 and just wait out the bugfixes, but people who dropped $60 for an unplayable mess were rightly annoyed.

Fast-forward, it's no perfect game. It was good enough to play and beat, but it's not on top of my replay list. None of my own criticisms are really damning, but they do combine to a mild disappointment. But then, I like Starfield a lot (and just look at what people say about that), so maybe we just all have different tastes in games :)

I'm not sure how to respond to this. Vampyr reviews were all over the place, and John being voiced was one of the criticisms.

I actually didn't have much of a problem with that. Well, I guess it contributed to the "illusion of freedom with walls too obvious" attitude a bit.

Wasn't Bloodlines 2 supposed to be released like 5 years ago now? It'll get out of my vaporware pile when I see it in action.

It’s literally up there with the most amount of caffeine you can get in one item from the restaurant.

That seems like an odd line. So this drink that's advertised as being just as caffeinated as coffee has a bit less caffeine than coffee. News at 11.

Anyway, really boring argument.

Agreed

Yes. These ones. The ones for the charged lemonade.

Interesting. A lot of Paneras use and advertise regular cups with this (just look at some marketing images to confirm). None o fmy local Paneras have them. I'm not sure there's a NEED to advertise it on a cup, but why not if it's custom I guess.

This isn’t a little caffeine, this is an uncomfortable amount of caffeine for most people who aren’t regular coffee drinkers

The FDA doesn't think so. But then, what is "Uncomfortable"? I can't handle the sugar in a can of Coca Cola. I want giant "fuckton of sugar" warnings. And water. If I drink more than 3 or 4 of my water bottle a day I can end up with real medical issues. Giant "don't drink to much water" signs on it?

The problem is that 400mg is not that much in the reality at the restaurant where it was purchased. It's a coffee and sandwich shop, and it's been known for bottomless coffee forever. Guess what happens if you get a bottomless large coffee and refill it just once? 800mg of caffeine baby.

On the cups

You mean the standard Panera cups that you use for everything from water to iced tea? Panera is self-serve.

There’s a billion reasons why you wouldn’t see the sign on the dispenser.

So putting a caffeine warning on the cups used for water and sprite is the right answer, in your opinion? Maybe armed guards for every allergen scanning your wrist?

It’s not even close to impossible to miss. It’s really quite easy.

Agree to disagree. A reasonable person wouldn't miss it if they were paying attention. Do you have any severe food allergies? This really compares favorably to that because typically I get far less warning of an allergen in food than people get of beverages having a little caffeine in them. I don't get "warning contains lobster" on my food plates.

I don't pour my drinks at 4' distance, and pictures at a closer range make the sign as obviously in-your-face as it looks in person (my experience). It's approximately the biggest, most blatant signs I've seen on a drink dispenser. Not to mention the massive underlined "caffeinated" on the well menu, and the giant floor signs in front of it advertising how caffeinated it is.

It doesn’t have the mg amount on the cups, or if it does, it’s really easy to miss.

Per the sign: "30fl - 430cal - 390mg caffeine"

It does, and that is below the big ad-line about how it's "as much caffeine as our Dark Roast Coffee".

The real problem here is that they were REALLY pushing the caffeinated nature of the lemonade as a value-add, so it was (nearly?) impossible to miss. We don't know the poor girl missed that sign (as it's unlikely she did), and we can tell that fact because the family's lawyer is also already pushing a second argument that the "as much caffeine as our dark roast coffee" is misleading.

I get it now. You really don't know much about caffeine or coffee, huh? Keep an open mind and read my reply carefully.

A dark coffee has up to ~40 mg of caffeine.

An 8oz Dark Roast coffee is approximately 100mg of caffeine. The same sized light roast coffee is closer to 150mg of caffeine. Panera's smallest dark roast is 214mg of caffeine. ~40mg is a 4oz half-cup of lowish-caffeine coffee.

This was nearly 400.

Have you ever seen or held a 30oz cup in your hand? It's freaking massive. In US terms, it's a QUART. In rest-of-the-world terms, it's almost a liter. Every beverage a fast food joint sells is unhealthy at that size (probably including their local filtered water). But the ONE ingredient that isn't unhealthy in all that is the caffeine! The sugar or sweeteners are the real villains there. 400mg of caffeine for 30oz is simply not excessive. Is it a good amount? Sure. It's about 2/3 as strong as coffee. You shouldn't treat it as a caffeine-free beverage. Obviously.

I would say being off by 10X is pretty fucking misleading.

Per Panera's own nutritional info, this 30oz caffeinated lemonade has about the same total caffeine as a large 20oz hot coffee (which is TINY for a large in the US, but you get free refills as Panera). You're comparing a 30oz caffeinated lemonade to a 4oz half-cup of lower-caffeine coffee. But as I said, I think it's ignorance and not bad faith.

So hopefully I've just educated you.

Well I don’t know if I would say 400mg is reasonable

It is absolutely 100% reasonable.

its the fda daily recommended limit.

It's more of a loose recommendation than some FDA limits. They're saying that it is 100% safe for most Americans to have 400mg every day of their lives. The comparative figure to 400mg of caffeine is 0mg of alcohol. 400mg of caffeine is health positive for almost all people, unlike pretty much every other ingredient in beverages at that counter.

That’s around 4 8 oz cups of coffee

For better or worse, nobody drinks 8oz coffees in the US. A small at a major coffee chain is 10oz. It's a little less 1 Large Iced Coffee from Dunkin, possibly the single most popular drive-through beverage in the country.

This is the point.

The location.

In question.

Did not.

Properly label.

The contents.

Got any info that points to that? All the articles I've read complain that the standard signage isn't clear enough and that "as much caffeine as dark coffee" is somehow misleading.

People’s experience at locations since the event, at locations other than where it occurred, is not a sum guarantee of what happened at the time of this incident and location.

I agree. I've been reading the complaints. They do have standard marketing for this, and the articles are attacking that standard marketing, not saying it was missing.

No he's repeating the argument the family's lawyer made. That a butt-fucking-massive megapint (sorry Depp) of this has more caffeine than a little cup of the lowest-caffeine-content hot coffee.

People are forgetting that she got a large, and if she knew it was caffeinated, they have no case and nobody should be bitching this "not nearly as strong as light-roast-coffee" beverage is on the mean streets with hard drugs like pop rocks and pez.

Correction, 2/3 the caffeine per ml of most coffees.

It's downright reasonable for a regular-driver beverage if you don't have a heart problem.

“As much caffeine as four coffees”

They'd be sued in a heartbeat. It has less caffeine than a large iced coffee at the most popular chain in the US. It has as much caffeine as a medium ice coffee. Served in a cup the size of a large iced coffee. I'm sure they were very careful about being accused of the opposite of what happened.

I'm not sure what we need more than 9 distinct caffeine notifications in a 2x2 area, in a section where 99% of the drinks are caffeinated and have never been marked such, to suspect that maybe this is caffeinated, too.

There's a fine line between "it's Panera's fault" and "It's the girl's fault" that reads "holy shit, what a tragedy!"

It's about as much caffeine as a "typical coffee", but it's really about 2/3 as much caffeine as any real-world coffee. Dunkies, Starbucks, and Panera's own light roast is 50% stronger per oz than this drink.

Because they won't say "no" if somebody wants to buy a FucktonLarge size. Their regular is only 250mg.

Note, the number is conspicuously perfect that you could have one large every morning and still be within FDA recommendations. (400mg)

How about a giant sign that says "390mg large" that everyone is just complaining that "how could she know that 390mg was too much"? Because it does actually have the number 390mg on the sign attached to the machine.

The funny thing in this case is that many people replying to this about what Panera should have done are naming things that Panera had already done in this case.