Zworf @ Zworf @beehaw.org

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Also nice to make hummus from 😀

True, but it's still about adapting the user to the tech instead of the other way around. I don't think Apple will go for that.

I would personally think more in the direction of a separate sensor you can place in the house, from a third-person point of view the finger tracking will be much easier to do because you are not moving straight away from the camera.

Ah thanks, I didn't get the reference 😅

Ah but I had a feeling about this that his kids were already grown up and gone.

But indeed, when it was purportedly recorded he wouldn't have been playing with them, good point.

Thank you!!

I don't really see the "Apple portrays people outside wearing the headset" that was mentioned here though. The only example given of that is on a plane which is a time where most people prefer to socially distance themselves from their fellow passengers anyway.

Ok yes with Oculus it's similar actually. You can poke at the letters but the problem is the exact depth detection is not so great (mainly because you're pointing directly away from the tracking cams with your finger) so it's a bit of a hit and miss.

And moving the "virtual mouse pointer" and then pinching is also a pain to do. My oculus doesn't have eye tracking but you can move your hand to move the "pointer".

Both methods are a PITA. Using the controllers to point and then click the trigger is better but it's still slow going of course that way. It's like typing on a keyboard hanging in front of you by pressing the keys with a stick. Considering that's the most comfortable option (which the Vision Pro doesn't have for lack of controllers), it's pretty sad.

But yeah I see the potential too.. I hope it will come to pass.

I get the sarcasm ;) Well, rejoicing, no, of course. It's not the best thing that could have happened.

But, I'm pretty sure if meta hadn't invested, we would have heard nothing more of VR after the DK1 had come out.

I'm not supporting meta or saying they're a great company. But they are sinking a lot of money into a phenomenon they care about, which is good for the industry one way or another. It gets the opportunity to prove its merits.

I haven't had a FB account since Cambridge Analytica, though I temporarily had one to use the Quest 2, while it was necessary (rigged so nobody could discover me so it was literally no more than a placeholder). But yeah I do use the Quest because as a technologist I do want to be on the front line. And Apple is just really absolutely not an option for me because of its price (and for being in Europe for that matter).

Actually he’s a deeply terrible person. Even outside of swallowing up and destroying competition and pushing monopolistic business practices, he was a tyrant to work for, treated everyone around him like shit, sexually harassed multiple women, and has ties to Jeffrey Epstein...

Wow. I had no idea. I'm sure you're right, I don't really follow US media very well. I just remember seeing him give a cool gift during secret santa on reddit and thinking "Huh this guy actually turned out okay".

Some of them might talk the “fiscally conservative, socially liberal” talk, but that’s becoming more and more rare. People like Marc Andreesen, Peter Thiel, Musk, Bezos, Zuck, et al are deeply terrifying, and are openly espousing racist and eugencist beliefs.

Hmm ok, I thought it was more liberal there. Especially because I've heard it's a good and inclusive workplace etc. But like I said, I'm not very aware of the US so I stand corrected. Thank you.

The main complaint I’ve heard is that the virtual keyboard sucks.

Yeah that I can imagine. I think it would be really annoying and exhausting having to type by looking at the letters. This is how you control the mouse pointer, right?

But I really hope I can see it for real some day.

Agreed, I worry about this too. The Quest uses a similar gesture with hand tracking (finger pinching to click) and it feels really frustrating compared to the much more direct feel you get with the included controllers.

With the Apple you don't even have controllers available if you want them so gesture tracking must work perfectly. Apple does have a lot of experience in getting stuff like that just right, but I really wonder whether eyetracking + pinching is comfortable for hours.

Can you view that ad somewhere online? I'd love to see it (to understand better how Apple is marketing this thing)

You can even have some of the spatial features now on the quest. Not yet very useful but they are working towards the same kind of AR, just at an obviously lower quality which comes with the price point.

For me here in Spain even the Quest 3 is a significant expense, the Apple Vision Pro is just a complete non-starter, and I'm a total VR enthusiast working in the IT sector (even doing some VR development as part of my work). But the vision pro costs multiple monthly salaries for me :) Or more than 4 months rent! No way would I spend that kind of money on an unproven tech gadget.

It's a double-edged sword.

Oculus' vision was to bring VR to the mainstream. They really didn't have the cash to make that happen on their own. They were using leftover parts from the mobile and tablet industry to hack together some headsets. It was a good proof of concept, but that was it.

With Meta's backing they put VR on the map. Others jumped in on it. Without them the Vive probably wouldn't have happened, nor would WMR. Then the transition to self-contained VR, the Quest but also others like the Pico, the Pimax Crystal and now the Vision pro. I know PCVR is pretty dead now but to me it was more of a transitory phase (and I still use it a lot but wirelessly now). VR was never going to be mainstream if you needed a powerful PC to do it and with all the cable mess.

I don't think these would have happened without the meta investment. I think it was good for the industry as a whole. However yeah, for consumer privacy it's not great that it was Meta that did the investment and not someone else (except Google or Amazon which would have been just as bad)

I don't really view it as a sellout and I was one of the earliest kickstarter backers. Serious money was needed to make it fly.

Ah good point. Tankies are indeed a bit like this on the left-wing side. I forgot about them.

As someone up the thread pointed out, there’s no such thing as a liberal billionaire

I don't know about that. Bill Gates is pretty decent these days. In fact he probably always was a decent human being, but his poor business practices overshadowed that in the past. Tim Cook seems a pretty decent person too and just him coming out did a lot for the LGBT community. I think most Silicon Valley CEOs are pretty progressive in fact (Musk excluded obviously)

They're pretty right-wing economically due to being CEOs (and billionaires) but fairly left-wing socially.

Absolutely. I'm not American but very left-wing and I would not support any fake news spin campaigns.

We have to be better than the right-wingers. If we use the same tactics a win is meaningless. We still have principles and ideals. "Kicking the other guy down" is not a win.

They keep hiring CEOs like this. Fiorina was no better. The board clearly wants the company to function this way.

And the only reason code is even in there is because of their DRM :P

Clearly not buying HP was a very good investment for me :)

The voice isn't quite right :( I wish they'd have Harrison ford for the voice at least.