Zozano @ Zozano @aussie.zone

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Absolutely. Tribalism is toxic.

At least Linux is a choice.

I use Arch BTW.

It's evident you're arguing in bad faith. I never claimed its morally wrong to attend a pride parade unless one has experience homophobia. I'm out, peace

You seem to be assuming a lot about my position, and getting most of it wrong.

My only stance thus far is one of definitions. Yes, I know the definition of "pride" has changed, which I'm trying to illustrate is an issue.

Elon's "white pride" rhetoric stems from nationalism, which stems from the conventional definition of "pride", which is:

a feeling of deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired

The pride displayed here is that of perceived inherent superiority, which leads to bigotry.

Rationality and emotion aren't mutually exclusive. Empathy has flaws, it causes people to become hijacked by emotion. Conversely, compassion is a choice, even psychopaths can be convinced behaving compassionately is in their own self interest.

So, I don't accept the assertion that feelings are an acceptable metric for evaluating the validity of a claim. I'm convinced it's wrong to be proud of an identity.

At least the French got that going for them.

Hurry up and overthrow your government already, everyone is waiting for one of your classic revolutions.

Who said anything about a park?

I assumed they brought the cow to the bar.

First off, I choose to visualise breastfeeding as I see fit, I even partake in it sometimes. What happens between me and my dog is none of your business.

Second, I'm being hyperbolic for the sake of illustrating the absurdity of it. If someone was milking a cow and drinking it straight from the glass, that's still just as weird, albeit slightly more comfortable for the consumer.

Adding transports between the cow and the drinker doesn't change the weirdness either.

Drinking the lactation of a cow is weird, just as weird as drinking platypus milk.

As a vegan, I think this is the way it should be.

Imagine seeing a grown ass man sucking on a titty in public. Weird as fuck, yet, somehow conceivably less fucked up if it was a cow.

Society is a strange mistress.

I'm considering this from the perspective of taxonomy. Race is basically a synonym for "subspecies" which is pretty fucked up.

Spare me with the condescension. I don't feel ashamed for something I have no control of.

Of course I want the same outcome as you, for people who have been historically discriminated against to have the same opportunities as me.

It is fucked up that things are easier because I won the genetic lottery, and was born male, and straight (mostly).

That being said, I have no obligation to make up for the sins of my fathers. However, I do have a moral obligation to fight injustices to the best of my abilities, this would be the case, regardless of the dice roll of life.

Strangely enough, we're closer to a gay tolerant society than an ethnic tolerant society (not factoring in transfolk).

One of my cousins is a gay teen but has never experienced homophobia first hand, only vicariously through media and online, which is notable.

This has always bugged me. It's strange how labeling someone as "racist" actually works in the racists favour; you're partially validating their point by implying there's a greater biological gap than actually exists.

Bigot works well as a replacement if this bugs you, and it's probably more accurate, people with "racist" views are more likely to be homophobic too.

I think you may be viewing my thoughts through an uncharitable lens. I am not bothered at all when anyone celebrates any aspect of their identity.

I'm a white Australian; my ancestors committed atrocities, yet, I do not feel shame for their actions, because I wasn't involved. I can only take shame in how I have acted.

To reiterate, the definition of pride is localised to the individual. It doesn't make sense to be proud of someone else's accomplishments if you haven't helped them.

A parent may feel proud if their child has done well, they have contributed to their success. However, if my college in a different department gets a promotion, I shouldn't.

Now extend this to people you don't know, and it makes no sense at all.

Yeah, but at least then you can retort with saying "that's not a very dignified thing to say" while sipping tea with your erect pinkie finger.

Also, I would just open up the gaytes on Pride month, henceforth known as Dignity Month. Let the straights celebrate their missionary position all month long!

pUt iT oN tHe BlOcKcHaiN bRo!

God damn, I don't envy you.

Having a family which is consciously malicious must make for some very frustrating conversations.

I, on the other hand, have a right-of-centre family who are mostly just too dull to extrapolate, and spend too much time on FB.

At least in my case I can sometimes dispel misconceptions.

This opens a whole new can of worms for me.

Can a gay person who has never experienced homophobia rightfully celebrate Pride Month?

Can a black person who was adopted by white parents and has no black cultural influence be proud of being black?

In any case, I understand the sentiment, I'm not saying "I don't understand why black people want to be recognised and celebrate the victories afforded to them by their ancestors".

What I don't understand is the specific vernacular of the word "pride" in these cases. Rosa Parks was a BAMF, but why would I be proud of her? I didn't put the idea in her head, I didn't give her the courage to sit at the back of the bus.

Whether I'm black or white has no bearing on whether I should be proud of anything outside of my own influence; I'm convinced identity politics gets us nowhere.

Deliberate misrepresentation can only be employed if one understands the original intent.

If a malicious person wants to try to convince others "Black Lives Matter" means "only black lives matter", they may have a pretty clear shot (assuming they're trying to convince someone Right of Centre).

If it was rebranded to "Black Lives Matter Too", then they would have a harder time trying to be deceitful.

I'm convinced there are more people in the camp of failing to read between the lines.

In either case, language games are important; playing poorly will lead to catastrophic outcomes. The worst part is this is so easy to correct for - a little bit of imagination will illustrate predictable backlash, or lack thereof.

There are other better choices than No-More-Shame.

LGBTQ Honor / Dignity / Glory (on second thought, this one may conjure images of bathroom stalls, so maybe not this one)

Just to clarify, I'm not asking about the implication of "white pride", just the semantics of pride in general.

It reminds me of "Black Lives Matter" - of course they do, but too many people heard "only black lives matter", when what they're trying to say is "black lives matter too".

These twits responded with "All Lives Matter", which, of course, is also true, but the implication is the discreditation of the suffering of black people.

I think a lot of these issues, unfortunately, are a failure of the Left. There are so many slogans which are either poorly thought out, or intentionally inflammatory. For example, "defund the police", "all cops are bastards", "math is racist".

We can't expect the Right to read between the lines, it's up to the Left to use better language so we don't give them more ammo.

My Mom told me I couldn't have a second helping of ice cream, she's LITERALLY Hitler!