Zombiepirate @ Zombiepirate @lemmy.world

Proud anti-fascist & bird-person

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That's because your pseudohistorical nonsense is bunk.

Fascism isn't just when an authority goes outside the bounds of the law. It's a very specific reactionary ideology that harkens back to a mythical past and directs blame for imperial failures at minority populations within their control.

Nothing about that describes anything about Abraham Lincoln's ideology or behavior.

In fact, it makes you look ridiculous and like you don't know anything about reactionary ideology at all. It's actually pretty funny if you think about it.

Sure, eventually. And then only because their liberal order was directly attacked by fascism.

But who capitulated within Germany? The liberal (small l) government gave Hitler a slap on the wrist, because they were more worried about socialists.

Appreciate the input, this is actually a great discussion point.

You have no idea what actual fascism is.

Ending slavery for four million people is in no way fascism. The fact that this confuses you so much is predictable, because the anti-intellectual ragebait that you listen to preaches that fascism is a leftist movement.

But I guess you believe that "work makes you free," huh?

Thanks for playing along, I couldn't have asked for a better demonstration of the vacuousness of reactionary "thought."

Nope, it doesn't piss me off that reactionaries get what is coming to them: if you abandon the social contract you shouldn't get the protection that it provides.

The only good fascist is a dead fascist. Leave it to a reactionary to get it exactly backwards.

I'm sure you would have been among those who thought ending slavery no matter the cost was too radical.

Your surface-level understanding is, as usual, adorable.

Yeah, telling your superior to obey obvious ethical standards undermines their authority.

How dare he expect the highest court in the country abide by the same standards as the rest of the judiciary; doesn't he know who they are??

Is it outdated (other than the "Siamese" description of conjoined twins)?

Liberals always seem to be the first to ally with fascists against the left.

Edit: I'd love a counterexample from any downvoter. All that tells me is that y'all don't know your history. Liberals capitulate because they're comfortable in their bourgeois status and don't want to risk their financial stability for minority rights. Prove me wrong.

If you knew anything about history, you'd know that "America First" has always been synonymous with fascism.

And don't worry, I never thought you were in danger of having an introspective thought. Reactionary ideology seeks to isolate members and inculcate them with antisocial dogma through ragebait, racism, and identity politics. It's a counterrevolutionary movement that blames minorities and foreigners for the failings of capitalism, just like all of the fascist movements of the early 20th century.

Oh, and as a brief aside: Abraham Lincoln was a radical progressive. I just threw that in there because I know how much that fact pisses off fundamentalist reactionaries.

Hey, how's the fascism going?

Everyone please wait your turn, we still have half a century of backlog before progress can be considered.

On the other hand, when Seagal was asked about the incident, he directly denied the allegations, calling LeBell a "sick, pathological scumbag liar", and offered the name of a witness who could prove LeBell had fabricated the entire story. The claim garnered a heated response from LeBell's trainee Ronda Rousey, who said that Seagal was the one lying, and declared "If [Seagal] says anything bad about Gene to my face, I'd make him crap his pants a second time."

I'm glad you did. What craftsmanship!

My favorite Steven Seagal story, from his Wikipedia page:

Seagal has been accused by former stunt performers who have worked with him, including Kane Hodder, Stephen Quadros, and Gene LeBell, of intentionally hitting stuntmen during scenes. Additionally, while serving as stunt coordinator for Out for Justice, LeBell allegedly got into an on-set altercation with Seagal over his mistreatment of some of the film's stunt performers. After the actor claimed that, due to his aikido training, he was "immune" to being choked unconscious, LeBell offered Seagal the opportunity to prove it. LeBell is said to have placed his arms around Seagal's neck, and once Seagal said "go", proceeded to choke him unconscious, with Seagal losing control of his bowels. Seagal bodyguard and stuntman Steven Lambert stated he was present and said that a confrontation did happen, during which Seagal elbowed LeBell before he could lock the hold on Seagal, after which LeBell flipped Seagal.

I'm amazed at how skeptical you are that elites use reactionary resentment to enrich themselves as matter of course.

And you're calling everyone else naïve.

If you're not going to care about what I actually said, then I see no reason to continue this discussion. I explicitly told you that I think they're going to deport a lot of people. You know... En masse?

Have fun arguing with yourself.

Nobody is saying they're not going to deport a lot of people or that Donald Trump and the GOP are not racist.

They're saying deportation isn't the point, which it clearly isn't. They want cheap, exploitable labor. Otherwise, they'd be attacking businesses who hire undocumented immigrants since that's the whole reason people come here.

They don't want to alienate businesses: those people are their donors. They want to drive the cost of labor down for their donors by exploiting the reactionary hatred of their base.

This has been the case for decades; Trump is being even more explicit, stupid, and cruel than his party had traditionally been, but he is very much in that same tradition.

And also to foster an economy of undocumented workers to drive down labor costs.

They don't want immigrants gone, they want them underpaid and unregulated.

No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough.

Maintaining the "proper" social hierarchy is the highest good to conservatives.

Every position they advocate for and each hero they glorify make sense under this framework.

I would have if I expected it to be delivered. It wasn't supposed to be there for another week, hence my surprise.