WhyJiffie @ WhyJiffie @sh.itjust.works

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Drives only consume power on reads and writes, if your NAS spins them down as it should (and apparently QNAP doesn't, which I didn't know).

not really. not all drives spin down by themselves, by default. and even if they do, it'll happen relatively long after reads and writes, a the while it'll consume power.

The problem seems to be that even with a perfectly clean slate, no services running, the system set up in their own RAID0 SSD pool, the HDD's, even with 0 bytes of data on them, are being pinged for access at least once a minute.

if it's for drive health stats, and the device runs linux, hd-idle could help. it only counts actual block device (so, storage) access as activity

edit: https://github.com/adelolmo/hd-idle

And don't think that SSD drives would do better - spinning disk drives generally have far better idle power than SSD does, and usually much better write power consumption.

I wonder if they can be "spinned down" like hard drives. their startup time would be much faster, so it's shutdown could even be on a tighter schedule. I mean probably they dont have an internal idle timer, but who cares if you can just have something like hd-idle that shuts it down according to a better schedule.

In my experience using a PC as a NAS, the power draw isn't necessarily the drives as they spin down when idle.

that's not always the default setup, especially with enterprise drives. also if you have some kind of monitoring, that can keep the drives from going down (for that, use linux hd-idle instead of drive internal idle timer), and it can also wake them up (for that, prometheus node exporter's smart collector first checks whether a drive is up, and only then collect stats). Interestingly, checking temps with smartctl always spins up my drives, while linux hwmon can give me live temp stats even while the drives are down

we should call them terrorists before they tag us as terrorists. Because that's what they are.

last time I checked it was still kept in secret who are the members of the HLG

Because the fucking line must go fucking up! the large hot forks should be going up the CEOs and investors asses instead!

now that you say, I'm not sure anymore

of course they didn't say that, but the request for such tools was in the title

dudette, I think

by the name I think I also sometimes see them in related topics on stack overflow and other sites

personal backups over torrent? and who would download that?

hmm, you are right. it's not actually a bug in the renderer then

@Cowbee@lemmy.ml @yogthos@lemmy.ml china is an authoritarian dictatorship, a surveillance state with no private life whatsoever. china is not communist, and attempts at free speech is punished

let the downvotes pour!

@Cowbee@lemmy.ml @yogthos@lemmy.ml china is an authoritarian dictatorship, a surveillance state with no private life whatsoever. china is not communist, and any attempts at free speech are punished

let the downvotes pour!

Why would anyone opt in 😭

Because the checkbox will be checked by default, and most people just speedrun through the setup as if it was a competition

ok, but most of the times this would be useful I wouldn't send another in the foreseeable future, probably even in multiple years

I have good news. I have just read the Proxmox 8.4 changelog, and they added support for using virtiofs with VMs, so now using it does not seem to require hacks anymore! But the limitation with databases probably still applies.

@RedBauble@sh.itjust.works unsure if you have read it already so tagging.

I run proxmox, and proxmox manages the zfs pool, there are VMs for important and convenience services, where important only hold things needed for the machine to work (so networking related) and metrics. I also have a desktop VM for the occasional use, and you can install opnsense later if you want an advanced firewall for VLANs and maybe internet too.
the storage is made accessible through virtiofs shares, but setup is quite hacky, and some things don't like it (like it can't store any kind of databases) because virtiofs works technically like a network filesystem, and does not support some consistency features (yet?). maybe ceph would be a solution, it is natively supported by proxmox.

if I were to build a new one, I would try out TrueNAS, it's newer linux based version. I heard that can run VMs too if needed. I suspect that it can be more user friendly, but I haven't used its web interface yet ever.