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  • Ok I'm not sure if XnView can automatically save a screenshot to a file (I don't have a PC with me), but there are certainly lots of tools that can help with that too.

  • Yes. The problem is getting developers/companies to support anything beyond than just the basics. There's enough formats that could work, but if the big players only support these formats, everything else is secondary. Just like many music players still play only mp3.

  • Haha welcome to my another session of bitching about ancient media formats.

    Anyway I'll just recommend XnView to you too. 500 supported image formats, so you can imagine why I get so pissy when people try to convince me that jpg and gif forevaaaa and that webp or whatever is difficult to implement. Maybe give LWF (Lura Wave Format) a shot, that stuff has been around for 20+ years too and can blow jpg out of the water.

    Oh XnView can do screenshots and cropping and stuff too. A free program that's been around for 25 years, and for DOS before that. And yet the mainstream sticks to whatever nonsense is the default. It's heartbreaking.

  • I don't know the technical aspects of webp, but as long as it's just another image format, any application that works with images should be able to just support it with an import/export filter. Again, XnView supports 500 formats, so it can't be impossible.

    And all my apps support webp so well, I never realized there could be a problem with it except when I heard that Windows is starting to support it and I realised that oh yea, them being slow again.

    Again it's not just webp, there's been a ton of attempts to bring better image formats, all the way back to jpeg2000. Some people just don't want to do any amount of work beyond the basics.

    We've had the same problem with sound. Lots of good formats in the last 20 years - ogg, flac, aac - yet you can still find things that only play mp3, often only up to a certain bitrate. That's not a good reason why everyone should forever stick only to mp3.

    Yet there's never been a problem with adopting new video formats, and that stuff is way harder to implement, often requiring hardware support to be feasible. We're not sticking to 30 years old Real Media and QuickTime. Images deserve better too.

  • There is, exactly because png is made for strict rgb colorspace. Especially today when videos can be in HDR and with all kinds of color correction shenanigans, so which you won't get back once you try to put the PNG back into the video.

    But I'm not a video editor, so I don't know what still format is best suited for this. I imagine real editors can deal with it, and for regular people who just make screenshots for memes, it's good enough. As I said, png is still a good enough format, but let's not use it for stuff like converting webp photos for further sharing.

  • From my point of view, gif is evil!

    (Seriously, I have a real light-axe to grind when it comes to gif. I can live with jpeg, but the 80MB 10-second crappy gifs people keep sharing, make me lose my Jedi patience.)

  • I plan to, it's funny how the first game is quite common knowledge, but I only learned about a sequel in some "10 games you didn't know have sequels" or such article.

  • See, that's fair. I don't know why people can't say so. It's time to name and shame companies that can't keep up with the times.

    I'm not saying webp is the be-all end-all, but goddamn we need to start using more modern compression for things. Especially gif, which is a fucking horrible format for what people use it today.

    I still remember when Internet Explorer wouldn't support png. It takes pressure to get crappy companies to move their ass.

    In regards to both Windows and IrfanView, there's a reason why I've been using XnView for 25 years now, with its 500 supported image formats, including webp of course.

  • Well, at least you now know, so that's a few less png screenshots of photos in existence.

    I remember IrfanView well, is that no longer developed? I've always preferred XnView which still exists and with its support for 500 image formats, ya'll never never have a problem opening anything that has valid image data in it.

  • I plan to finally play Hotel Dusk for DS. I just need to finally hack my 3DS. I have a cartridge, but it's in another castle house.

  • Well if you're trying to open pictures with shit...

  • That looks like a nice format

  • At least don't convert photos to png

  • And that's just the FOSS options

  • Can you list at least a few? Everyone's like "noooo my apps don't support it" but nobody says what apps, what are y'all afraid to admit that you use MS Paint or what?

  • I understand that but we really fucking need to be moving from jpegif. MP3 and MPEG2 were commercial formats too (actually so was jpeg iirc?) and look where they got us. We just really need someone to get the ball rolling to start using newer formats.

  • Why are so many people using image viewers from 1993? Nothing against nostalgia, but...

  • Kill him. Kill him now.

    Seriously.... Please don't. Or at least don't ever share that shit back to the web. It gets even worse when people then rename the png to jpg and it's a whole fucking mess. I've been trying to figure out where the hell all those bloated hi-res pngs all over the web come from, until I stumbled upon this answer.

    Just download an updated app that can read webp for crying out loud. Do people convert x265 to QuickTime too?

    Besides, everywhere where I've encountered webp in the wild, the image url has something like ?format=webp at the end, so you can just delete that and get the original, if you really have to.