🐱TheCat @ WheeGeetheCat @sh.itjust.works

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yeah this convo got anger radiation from another similar convo about the same subject where the guys were blaming their economic woes on women much more openly. Essentially claiming that the reason boys were falling behind is that women have too much.

The tone of my responses to both threads blended and became angry due to scapegoating of women in the other thread, this thread was just men talking about their problems which I could've scrolled by.

but yeah anytime you see a guy claiming that 'boys are falling behind because women have too much' they are doing the work of the rich

oh my boss felt entitled to this recently

they point blank told me they needed me in the office because 'they owned the building' (read: they think they are entitled to use their employees time and resources to prop up the value of their commercial real estate)

they also spent the time during the pandemic installing a giant paid cafeteria, so they were hoping to capture some of that lunch revenue I mentioned for themselves, or the company they sub-contracted with

(yes, I did quit, get a new job, and a raise)

yeah, but people not in the know think it just means 'prudent government spending'. What it actually means is funnel as much money from the government/taxpayer to the existing rich as possible. I think we are saying the same thing, cheers

I work remote and do see that money. Let me explain how:

• I save money on car maintenance, gas, and business attire.
• I save money on food by eating at home or eating in my neighborhood instead, which adds value to my neighborhood and creates businesses in my neighborhood instead of my bosses
• I save roughly 2 hours of getting ready / commute time per day, and time is money.

What's wild is that my boss ever felt entitled to all of that for their benefit.

it should result in reducing the deficit - which republicans don't and democrats do.

all the GOP does is cut the taxes of rich and raise the taxes of the middle class, while running up the deficit overall.

Mostly true, but very complicated by online trolls, especially the practice of 'concern trolling'

Basically you first have to establish the person is arguing in good faith. If some is ALWAYS playing the devils advocate, they might just be the actual devil

I have no idea what that analogy means in the context of this conversation.

Does anyone know if mastadon people can be followed from a lemmy account? I think I saw a way but having trouble finding the post now

I was just playing a semantic gotcha game at that point.

at least you can admit it.

As for the difference, I wouldn't call validating the perspective that capitalism is fucking us 'coddling' soley because of the fact that I think it's true and actionable

As opposed to the fictions being presented by PUAs that women are meant to be dominated, which I obviously find untrue thus the term 'coddling'.

Shame we're fighting each other instead of the rich, is my point.

It’s SO IRONIC that just one sentence previously you advocated for coddling their perspective

Where?

My whole fucking point is that these guys shouldn't be coddled. If I made a typo somewhere saying they should be, I want to fix it. But I think you may have misread again.

maybe call your mom

he can understand that I dislike misogynists, not men

how does your mom feel about you minimizing women's problems on the internet and claiming that you know the truth about locker room talk to invalidate their lived experiences?

I'm an honest to god old women on the internet who has been in tech spaces since the 90s, so I have seen (and felt) the impact of these ideologies very personally, and yes I hold people over the age of 18 responsible for their own actions. If they believe in PUA bullshit then yes I judge them for it. Are you shocked?

Either you're adults or you're not. I can't afford to coddle these young men anymore, it's damaging to me and all women - and coddling them hasn't helped.

Wake the fuck up to the fact that like, 100 rich guys are essentially slowly enslaving most of humanity, and THAT is your problem, and stop attacking women. We're running out of time and I'm out of patience.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

old. how old are you?

But, again: While abolishing capitalism would probably solve the issue in itself, addressing it is a perfectly valid step on that path. And addressing it requires not denying the perspective of those kids,

attacking capitalism. Addressing it requires attacking capitalism, and some men would rather attack women. Coddling their perspective is also not required. They must wake to the fact that the rich stole their future, not women.

It's SO IRONIC that you typed all that shit about Tate, who you admit was poor and economically struggling and WEAPONIZED men's hatred of women to make himself RICH, but then say he's not an example of an older man pied pipering younger men into hating women out of a desire to solve his economic woes. It sounds to me like thats exactly what he did and you typed it out yourself. We just see things from opposite perspectives entirely.

edit: I'm being combative now but I don't care:

Counter-question: Why is the left so bad at convincing people to act in their own self-interest?

Maybe its because the left is more likely to be women, and men have a hard fucking time listening to women for some reason. Maybe it's not a problem with 'the left' at all. Do you need some statistics to back this up?

But in reality its because right-wing is associated with authoritarian attitudes so it's just easier to get a right wing person in line than a left wing person.

You think Im judging all men but I'm only judging men who spread PUA bullshit, which they have responsibility for. Sorry you can't get it.

well at least thats still an actual minority, instead of a majority vote like the male side.

and yes you're correct the older the person the more skew for trump, which goes back to my point that plenty of these old fucks heard locker room talk about peeping on young girls, and did not bat an eye

maybe you're a young guy who is honestly underestimating the misogyny of your elders

Haha, I don't hate all men, I'm in a relationship, and you will see my usual activity on social media is moderating a laughter subreddit.

But I don't have any empathy for men who believe that men are the main victims of PUA teachings, or that men are uniquely disadvantaged - they're already not empathetic to me, obviously, because they are dismissing that these teachings harm women more than men. Pot calling kettle black?

And I dont agree that coddling these men helps them. They are already too far into the victimhood mindset. Thats the source of their problems. If their violence and anger solicits help from women that teaches exactly the wrong things.

you're asserting its an extreme minority but Trump's popularity among men begs to differ. These pedophilia apologists elected the man. I would have agreed with you more before 2016. Mask off moment for american men imo.

and if you're not american I'm sorry for assuming, thats the context Im living in and thats the context Im speaking of.

Here's donald trump talking on public radio about wanting to fuck his daughter and peeping on kids: https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-howard-stern-interviews-crude-comments-women/

here he is defending his shit as locker room talk: https://youtu.be/QDjDPRk3nPY?t=33

Your opinion is fine. but there's lots of guys like trump and my dad out there that disagree with you. and they chat about peeping on kids and wanting to fuck their daughters