WhatsTheHoldup @ WhatsTheHoldup @lemmy.ml

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If the question is things "only" old people say, you have to exclude phrases old people say that were repopularized through media.

"Heavy" (meaning important, grave)

For example this is a really quotable line from Back to the Future, so kids would pick it up.

The problem with Ghostbusters (2016) didn't have anything to do with having an all female cast

That's what I just said.

If women arent the ones greenlighting these movie, directing them, or even writing the script, how could they possibly be the problem?

I listed a bunch of actually good "woke" media. They were made by a trans and black creators but if you want examples of women being funny look at Veep, the Good Place, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, etc.

The problem as I pointed out is a predominately white male board member of business grads who feel having an all female cast is all they need to market a movie, so they can skip giving a shit about the product.

it was more about the timing of the jokes, the lack of slow quiet scenes to build atmosphere, and the effects being crappy unmemorable CGI

Because Sony can't make a movie to save their lives. Look at Morbius, Kraven, Madame Web, etc.

There was a time in the early 00s/10s where society said "any representation is good representation".

Movies like Black Panther and Get Out were inherently going to do well because they catered to an audience demand that had been long underrepresented.

Nowadays there are actually good movies in competition. We dont have to settle for bad representation. If you want a horror movie that's an allegory for not transitioning you can watch it, if you want a vampire movie where the vampires are an allegory for racism and white exploitation that's in theaters right now.

Spotting background character 1 and 2's gay kiss in Disney's reboot of Buzz Lightyear feels a lot less exciting to me.

When a bunch of white board members decide to make a movie "for women" and resurrect a dead IP and start forcing a script, that will be inherently more shallow than going to Amy Poehler and asking if she has an idea to pitch.

This is why Marvel succeeded in giving Ryan Coogler a higher degree of creative control for Black Panther than Sony did for any of the female cast in Ghostbusters.

While I'm enjoying diverse films like Sinners and I Saw the TV Glow, if you're more interested in Disney's live action remake of The Little Mermaid, or Disney's live action remake of Snow White, go right ahead and watch it. I'm not saying you can't.

But the idea you have to "support it" is nothing but marketing. I don't think you're really supporting diverse stories, I think you're supporting corporations who exploit diversity and intentionally rage bait the worst racists imaginable for free marketing instead of investing the areas that you point out would make the movie better.

Accessibility options are good.

Agreed.

Not everyone is a god gamer with the reflexes of a 14-year old hopped up on Adderall and Red Bull. Some people just want to enjoy the story and the atmosphere of a game and it should be normal for us to let them.

Not everyone just wants to enjoy the story. Some people want a challenge which requires the reflexes of a 14 year old hopped up on Adderall.

Why should every single game be changed to suit your specific play style?

Instead of demanding their games change, maybe you could just accept its okay some audiences have different likes than you and just play the ones that cater to your style?

Imo there are two types of "wokeness".

There is a diverse inclusive story by someone with an underrepresented experience who partially lived that story and has a unique perspective and ideas.

And then there is a "diverse" story constructed by an all white male board of execitives who think "wokeness" is trendy.

Movies like I Saw The TV Glow, Parasite, Sinners, etc are fantastic "woke" stories coming from the former group.

The latter group comes up with stories like "Ghostbusters but all women" or "Oceans 11 but all women" which I think should rightly be criticized.

I'm literally confused as fuck right now. Help explain this in a different way.

I provided evidence for a thing I believe in. You're accusing me of refusing to believe the thing I showed evidence for?

Then why did you claim I can't see it?

I refuse to believe that which I've seen no evidence for.

So long as it is more convenient to sarcastically quip about how you're right instead of explaining it, I will struggle to be convinced by your words.

"Uh a 151.197 grammer with cheese."

Quar ter poun der. Perfect size. Good marketing.

"A ThIRd PoUnDeR pLeASe". Too much to chew. Bad marketing.

Sorry, but you are suggesting that the best strategy possible to stop the genocide is to be nice to the person committing the genocide

No, I suggested we adopt the best strategy regardless of what it is.

You said that even if the best strategy possible is to be nice, you wouldn't consider doing do.

My character was straight up an actual poacher cause the best way to make money is selling creatures to that lady in Hogsmeade.

I mean.......do we want to tear it down?

Pretty sure we do.

Some things are for you, other things are NOT for you. Letting both exist is an option.

So you agree it's good Fortnite now exists on iOS? Apple users get more options?

Great, I'll make sure to report you to the mods if your openly admitting to acting in bad faith.

Feel free to do that, if I've broken the rules they should remove my comment. I didnt realize this was getting so personal so I will take this as the end of the convo, even across the other threads, just letting you know so you don't waste time replying to those.

It would only be a compliment if you were trying to capture the flaw in liberalism.

I was.

Again, I appreciate the compliment. Take care.

When my goal is to describe the flaws of liberalism succinctly and you say "You've captured the flaw in liberalism extremely succinctly." I have a hard time taking that as an insult, ngl.

Yes, I'm glad you understand how a discussion works. Presumably you then don't want people to believe what you say?

Is this how you want the conversation to go? Are we gonna both just play dumb and ask loaded questions back and forth?

Is it?

Yeah? (You called me a Socialist earlier)

Because capitalism has rolled over the top of you none the less.

How exactly did you expect me to have predefeated the system I was born into?

That's why, even though 'your guard is up', you can't do anything about it; because you're just a random person with no power

You're not pointing out anything new to me.

That's because we communicate using words, we can't just directly transmit pure concepts to each other. If people can't understand your labels they can't understand you concepts.

EXACTLY!!! Yes! Love this.

So not as socialism.

No, as primitive Libertarianism. It's right there.

I'm sure hoping you don't think mob rule by bands of genocidal settler colonists is socialism?

You told me my definition of liberalism implies the US wasn't liberal.

I agreed and quoted a marxist who described the US as primitive Libertarianism.

Now you think I'm saying the US has secretly been socialist this whole time?

Then my comment argues you shouldn't.

Hey I'm sorry. I just gave your comment an actual read and only the first paragraph I initially read was bad faith patronizing.

In the rest you did bring up points worth responding to so I apologize and I will do that in a bit.

Just keep in mind I may actually have some knowledge in history and just might be able to back up claims I make.

Exactly, thank you great point. Are you starting to agree these aren't very "liberal" actions so maybe the Republicans and Democrats aren't so liberal after all?

if you're just gonna continue to be this childish, then I have nothing else to talk about.

Respectfully, that's where I tried to leave it 2 comments ago

And since you're gonna read this, like it or not, your definition of being a liberal has no basis in reality

It's not about liking or not liking it.

If you're in a different reality than me, there's not much we're going to be able to say. I'd rather spend my energy on people in the same reality

You can cry all you want about how capitalism and liberalism as somehow separate, it won't change reality.

:'(

Most Republicans also believe in those things

The Republicans are abducting citizens to El Salvadorian death camps...