WaxedWookie @ WaxedWookie @lemmy.world

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I agree with the sentiment in the sense that they have shared class interests, but the GOP wants, and will institute massive, sweeping change for the worse as the Dems deliver a mixed bag in broad defence of the status quo that benefits them.

In that case, I'll rephrase my question.

Would it be fair to rephrase that as Should I take that to mean that the people you've said he needs are abandoning him? What does that suggest about the need for people that oppose Trump to vote?

My point the entire time is that what you're saying is nonsense. You're saying he's being abandoned by the people he needs - whether it's his supporters or non-supporters that will line up and support him by voting for him, and in response to me pointing out the election is a toss-up, you're accusing me of suggesting people don't need to turn out to vote and lying.

You see your flagrant hypocrisy and dishonesty here, don't you - or does the same deficiency that undermines your ability to understand the meaning of "support" similarly affect your reading comprehension and/or understanding of basic causality?

Would it be fair to rephrase that as the people you've said he needs are abandoning him? What does that suggest about the need for people that oppose Trump to vote?

I don't know how you think lining up to vote for the head of the Republican party isn't supporting both the party and the head of the party, but that nonsensical position is beside the point.

When the alternative is having those loved ones denied medical care, locked up, or shuffled off to the camps, yes.

You don't have to be happy about it, but you do have to keep the unabashed fascists out of power. There's 1,458 other days in the election cycle to convince, cajole and bully the Democrats into being less bad.

Yes - the Republicans instituted the bad thing, the Democrats perpetuated it. Obama had the White House , House , and Senate and didn't close Gitmo as promised.

I'm in favour of Biden acting like a dictator if it's to do things like restore the rule of law, stop torture, and right wrongs like separating kids from their families for their entire childhood. The kinds of consequences that make dictatorships bad. What's the value of proceduralism if it not just fails to correct, but actively delivers those outcomes?

Standard Democrat fare - they'll perpetuate the worst of the GOP nonsense, fix some of it, and generally be less terrible. Also see: Gitmo.

...but as long as the alternative is the GOP, who will make everything far worse far faster (to the point that they're likely to end the moribund US democracy next term), you need to get out and vote for them up and down the ballot.

And they’re being shaved off bit by bit.

Who is the "they" if not people that would vote for Trump, and what do you mean by "shaved off" if you don't mean they won't be voting for him?

Are you suggesting he's definitely going to win and no one should bother voting for Harris?

Let's see...

You do understand the election is a toss-up, don't you?

Guess not.

I understand you said he can't win with just his supporters - you also said he's losing those supporters. Putting aside the fact that people voting for him are definitionally supporters, you understand that those 2 statements clearly imply that there's no need to vote for Harris, right?

My point is that you're all over the place with your talking points - there doesn't seem to be any way to thread them together.

As an alternative, you could try self-hosting searxng if you're that way inclined.

He needs more than his supporters to win, the election is a toss-up, and his supporters are dumping him.

...are you going to tell me he's shifting left, because that would be ludicrous, but seems to be the only way to draw a coherent thread out of what you're saying?

The important follow-up is to rinse/repeat. This doesn't stop until the wealth redistribution does, and we regress to corporate town serfdom.

The people that vote for this want their elected government to be so small they'll be ruled by corporate overlords solely interested in extracting their wealth.

You do understand the election is a toss-up, don't you?

And shifting the balance of SCOTUS for the better compared to ending democracy to install an octogenarian fascist is practically the same thing. Both sides, amirite?

You have a flawed candidate, and one of the worst in history, people - understand what's on the line, and stop drawing false equivalencies.

The US has by far the most expensive healthcare in the world, and for all that expense, achieves outcomes comparable with the third world.

Negotiating with providers as a single payer massively shifts the dynamic by putting the negotiating power in the hands of the people representing patients, and allows a huge amount of bloat to be removed from the system - like the entire insurance industry.

Single payer will deliver huge savings, better healthcare, and better access. The people that lose are the grifters draining the system for profit.

For anyone that couldn't bother reading the above comment, I've given a summary...

hurrrrr I'm incapable of engaging the point people are making.

...oh wait - if you do try, we'll sue you into oblivion and nuke any trace your creation from orbit - too baaaaaad~

Easy to say when you have a monopoly on the IP and a penchant for litigation. You'd think the biggest media conglomerate in the world could turn out something decent, but when they have a near-monopoly, why would they bother?

The cartoon plays with the emotions like the ai image, but the important difference is that people won't mistake the cartoon for documentation of something that happened.

The cartoon is a fairy tale, that AI image is a lie - the distinction is important.

The fact that they've realise that "facts don't care about your feelings" is too hypocritical - even for the far right should tell you a lot.

I know I struggle to see the link between the Soviet Union and communism, but I suppose that's what I get for getting my definitions of words from the dictionary.