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About the fucking time travel? How do you manage to spell with your intellectual capacity?

From Article II of the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Maybe they'll travel back to 1948, kill the evil Muslims that wrote the convention, and prove you right.

...Why are you engaging in such stupidity to defend genocide? You love the thought of dead Muslim kids that much?

Those boxes have already been checked - unless the IDF is working on time travel so they can go back and undo their genocidal bullshit, I don't think my point will be harmed by revisionism and more denialism.

Are you sure the post is just a mistake or misunderstanding? Maybe it's just dishonest. 'You're ignorant or stupid' seems a bit much.

I'd be more willing to accept innocent ignorance in the replies - I assume that if someone is posting a new thread about a situation that includes a judgement on the cause of that situation, they at least have a passing familiarity of the thing they're publically passing judgement on.

They're very obviously wrong in a way that discredits the good ideas put forward by the participants in this sub - if they retract their post, I'll happily retract mine.

You're too disconnected from reality to be upset by having it held up in front of you, but that doesn't make you any less wrong, monstrous, or stupid.

Israel cleanly hits just about every point on the UN definition of genocide - and they only need to check off one of them. Cope harder.

Why bother when you can just do it with Google search?

Ah yes - the Muslims don't count... Nor does the definition of the word genocide, or the US strategic interests in propping up Israel...

Got any more of those feels for me? You're a less effective liar than most backing this genocide, so there's probably benefit to you parading your dopey bullshit around for all to see.

Here you are, lying on the internet again - I can't say I'm surprised at your lack of integrity - you're a fucking genocide denier.

The UN disagrees with you on both points.

• Palestinian casualties in the "conflict" are pretty squarely in-line with the broader Palestinian population, making it pretty indisputable the IDF is indiscriminately killing Palestinians, not targeting Hamas.
• The Netanyahu administration has been spouting all sorts of genocidal rhetoric.
• The Netanyahu administration actively propped up Hamas over moderate orgs. Seems like someone needed a pretext for the thing they've been trying to do for decades.
• The Netanyahu administration has indiscriminately halted the movement of Palestinians, and cut water, power, food, trade and aid. Some of these have been restored thanks to international pressure - open war crimes and whatnot.
• The UN has characterised the Netanyahu administration'so management of Palestine as an open air concentration camp.
• The IDF has killed tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians - a major share of those deaths were children.
• The IDF lies relentlessly - tunnels built under the Al-Shifa hospital by the Israeli government? No - that was Hamas... But Hamas beheaded all those babies - trust us, bro - we've got the evidence, but can't share it or have it verified. Then there's the Arabic calendar nonsense, the "hospital" curtain bullshit, the list goes on.

While genocide does require intense stupidity, decades-long escalation toward genocide when you're dependent on US support requires a pretext before you can escalate. There's elements of all of the above - busy mostly the pretext.

While the money sold have been spent on public transport, it's a bit fucking premature to put this down to induced demand - the tangled mess has been operating for what - like 3 business days? People are getting confused and doing silly bullshit. It's a problem, but it's not induced demand.

Induced demand is a thing, and it'll almost certainly be relevant here - there's no need to lie about it - give it a minute to settle first. This is the benefit of being correct - there's no need to be dishonest.

Based.

I haven't played it, so I may be wrong, but isn't banner lords a bit like this - not Greek, and I assume you start with more status than a foot soldier, but it may be worth a look.

What's the value of a party that refuses to represent the people they're charged to, restructures the economy to let them ransack it for personal enrichment, remove rights from people, refuse to do their job, remove protections, allowing businesses to run roughshod over the people, and manufacturing a panic about CRT, ANTIFA, immigrant caravans, Jewish space lasers, stolen elections, Trans people?

Wouldn't replacing that with a party that represents voters better than the Democrats - let alone the Republicans be nice? It's not as though the GOP is even popular - it's only gerrymandering that gives them a shot at power - when did they last win the popular vote in a federal election?

There's definitely benefit to working within the law when you're able - it allows for things like hyper-effective multi-sector strikes that wouldn't otherwise happen (see Sweden). That said, under different circumstances, illegal strikes are necessary to get the job done.

Biden breaking the rail strike was terrible, but a product of the circumstances at that point - since then, he's made some surprisingly big pro-union moves that will almost certainly increase union membership and bear fruit down the road.

Why were Israel sponsoring Hamas, a terrorist group, to displace the moderate PLO-aligned orgs then?

Irredeemable stupidity?

Antisemitism?

Manufacturing a pretext for the genocide they're now committing, perhaps?

We've established elsewhere that Israel meets the UN definition of terrorism.

Thanks! The formatting could use some work if nothing else, but I appreciate it.

To be fair, it's only hitting 8am in Israel now, so there's still the possibility of some substantiation yet - though deflection, performative offence, claiming a lack of evidence, and whattaboutisms seem more likely - let's see...

I took the definition and pointed out how it's applicable to the situation - what have I missed about how the world actually works? So far, it looks a lot like your feelings to me.

• Palestinian casualties in the "conflict" are pretty squarely in-line with the broader Palestinian population, making it pretty indisputable the IDF is indiscriminately killing Palestinians, not targeting Hamas.
• The Netanyahu administration has been spouting all sorts of genocidal rhetoric.
• The Netanyahu administration actively propped up Hamas over moderate orgs. Seems like someone needed a pretext for the thing they've been trying to do for decades.
• The Netanyahu administration has indiscriminately halted the movement of Palestinians, and cut water, power, food, trade and aid. Some of these have been restored thanks to international pressure - open war crimes and whatnot.
• The UN has characterised the Netanyahu administration'so management of Palestine as an open air concentration camp.
• The IDF has killed tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians - a major share of those deaths were children.
• The IDF lies relentlessly - tunnels built under the Al-Shifa hospital by the Israeli government? No - that was Hamas... But Hamas beheaded all those babies - trust us, bro - we've got the evidence, but can't share it or have it verified. Then there's the Arabic calendar nonsense, the "hospital" curtain bullshit, the list goes on.

Do you have a counter more substantive than "feels", "we don't want to kill thousands of children - Hamas made us" or "criticising genocide is antisemitic"?

Edit: Formatting & clarity.

The fact that OP said there's unlikely to be a social worker involved here circumstantially supports this possibility.

Politically motivated violence to exterminate an ethno-religious group sounds like terrorism to me. I think the difference you see vs most terrorist orgs is that Israel have the means to follow through on their genocidal intent.

The UN General Assembly's definition of terrorism from a condensation of it:

Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes.

The US legal definition:

premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents

I think it meets the UN definition, but misses the US definition because it's a national power that's committing it.

Edit: The national power requirement would ironically mean the Holocaust wasn't a genocide, so I think it's better for everyone that we don't rely on the US government's definition that seems to throw the baby out with the genocidal bathwater in an effort to show that it's impossible for them (or a certain strategic ally in the Middle East) to meet the definition of a genocide.

I think the principle is popular enough - though certainly not for everyone (it's probably not even close).

The impracticality of surviving on a single income makes the idea laughable, and I wonder how much of its popularity is actually a desire to live a comfy life on a single income - maybe a few kids too.