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So we shouldn't try to reform people - just piss away a human life at a cost of $14K-$70K per year to the taxpayers in what's already the most incercerated population in the world, where it's well established that the threat of prison does nothing to reduce crime, and there would be no puntitve difference between a single rape and a spree?

Got any more of those great takes you'd like to share?

You can fully believe in people's ability to rehabilitate and change, while also being aware that not everyone rehabilitates and changes. (...) In this case, there's a valid argument to be made that this person represents a danger to society

What is that valid argument? OP said that indicates an ongoing danger, and if they're an ongoing danger, what do we do in response to that beyond not covering up their crimes (which are already reported on the sex offender registry)?

The law is far from perfect, but it's hard to overstate the danger of basing the rule of law on vibes - which you appear to be doing.

Welcome to Lemmy - where everything is made up and the points don't matter.

If someone assaults somebody in retaliation (...) many would argue that can be justified.

Then when someone assaults the assaulter in retaliation for the retaliation? Fuck the rule of law - return to lynch mobs, amirite? Do you say people argue this because you're one of them and are too much of a coward to say so, or is this an irrelevancy you don't believe? People argue all sorts of dumb bullshit - it doesn't make them right.

No we're all taught from preschool on not to hit.

No exceptions, no discussion entered into - guess we're locking up the military and police. Of course there are exceptions, and of course people are going to do the mental gymnastics necessary to justify their actions to themselves. That doesn't make them right, but it does make your standard a transparently terrible one.

This is an understandable sentiment, but telling everyone about the charges for which this person has served their sentence in order to rally the rest of the workplace to look for ways to get them sacked is super-likely to see you face consequences for bullying.

If you don't want to work with this person, consider explaining the circumstances to HR (noting that your friend was a victim), and say it'll be too traumatic to work alongside them. This seems like a reasonable request to me, which should be accommodated - particularly if HR are already aware of the conviction.

If you want vengeance, figure out a way that isn't going to put your livelihood in jeopardy. Don't squeeze more negative consequences out of an already shitty situation.

Finally, you need to consider the society you're advocating for - if we're abandoning the rule of law to keep people out of work and unable to support themselves after serving their time, we're relegating them to be either wards of the state or homeless. We've already seen the issues caused by felons being barred from voting and its interplay with racial and political dynamics - how do you think manufacturing a desperate criminal underclass will work out for society?

Rake is excellent, and pretty grounded in real events, boy eats universe is new, and they're probably cultural relevance to some of the dozens of reality and daytime/morning shows out there, and the chaser for the same reason. I also think a lot of kids' stuff is worth archiving - some because it's great, others because it's bizarre, others because it's a cultural touchstone that'll almost certainly be lost - round the twist, Liftoff, Aggro, cheez TV, ship to shore, ocean girl, the ferals... I'm showing my age.

I think the ABC have some kind of archive that's probably a great start for home grown content.

I'm pretty sure you're threatening him with a good time.

His affinity for homoeroticism and drag is even stronger than your average manosphere chud.

...unlike Republicans, who think democracy won't survive, but aren't worried because "their" guy will be the dictator.

What a question to ask in the context of a genocide.

I'm sure you've got some interesting notions - why don't they?

I'm guessing it's the Palestinians' fault they're being genocided and can't be displaced into Egypt?

Is this the most terminally online possible way of saying "gender is a social construct and I'm a gender abolitionist"?

The greatest flaw in the system is the fragmentation and consequential cost - when things were consolidated under Netflix, things weren't perfect but it can't be said that they weren't far better.

The true underlying flaw is capitalism, but isn't it always?

Adrenachrome.

What are you talking about? David kicked kinda good while having hair, and Victoria was in a band called the Spice Girls despite being a set square haunted by the ghost of a rice cracker.

Still waiting on that definition of genocide or a meaningful distinction from the Nazis.

Meanwhile, I don't need to make an argument - I'll just let the Israeli leadership do that for me...

Prime Minister Netanyahu 

They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”

and 

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.

and

I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals

"Defence" minister Galant

We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly

Kallner...

Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!

Atbaryan... 

erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.

Halevi...

goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”

Suit yourself, Rudolph Jitler.

Your inability to point to a meaningful distinction between those you're supporting and literal Nazis or provide a consistent definition of genocide (because you can't manufacture one that describes Hamas without admitting Israel is committing one) says far more than Godwin's law ever will.

A neutral news outlet like Reuters generally won't apply characterisations like "genocide" themselves - they'll report on the ICJ ruling.

In the meantime, we can apply the UN definition the ICJ uses, or the dictionary definition for ourselves. That makes things very clear.

Why not just take the Israeli leadership at their word and compare their actions to either the UN or dictionary definition of genocide? It's pretty straightforward.

Here's the full UN definition:

        A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
    A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
        Killing members of the group
        Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
        Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
        Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
        Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
 


  

A major portion of the Palestinian territory has been flattened, and supplies to rebuild have been blocked, people can't return, and are kept in concentration camp conditions. Israel have killed more civilians than the total number of Hamas members in existence, and are showing no signs of "progress" - let alone slowing down. There's also the small fact that they funded the rise of Hamas over the secular moderates - seemingly to create the pretext for the genocide they're now committing. Tens of thousands of dead isn't isolated incidents - particularly when they're just stating their genocidal intent. Here's some relevant quotes... I can provide admission that they were funding Hamas too if you'd like.

Prime Minister Netanyahu

They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”

and

You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.

and

I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals

"Defence" minister Galant

We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly

Kallner...

Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!

Atbaryan...

erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.

Halevi...

goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”

If someone tells you they want to commit a genocide before killing tens of thousands of civilians in a few months while subjugating the entire population they've said they want to exterminate, I think it's safe to believe them.