Wanpieserino @ Wanpieserino @lemm.ee

Belgian 29 year old male, accountant, into physical fitness, outings and wa

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I'm literally going to financially reward my wife for taking time off work in order to take care of our kid.

Parenting is labour. When you're parenting, you can't be doing a different job.

My wife's parents in Indonesia don't have a pension much. It's barely anything. Her mom just gets money from my wife and her 2 sisters.

That's how it used to be for a long time, pension is relatively new.

So in the vast majority of history, parents always were financially rewarded for having children.

Median age in Indonesia is 30, while in Belgium it's 42. While we're far wealthier in resources. People just stopped having children because it wasn't necessary anymore.

We can't act like this isn't a problem, unless the people that willingly caused the aging population issue take full responsibility and go through hardships in order to help the society battle a period of low work force.

Do you think you're a good person? 👀

These families already are adequately supported. We need to find a way to guide people into the actions we want them to do.

Like, they want me to stop using the car to work. Okay, they allow everyone at my hospital to use their taxes to pay for a commuting e bike. It's a financial incentive. (Don't worry I'm not a healthcare worker, just administration, I am not the right person to work with people in need).

Indeed there are exceptions and therefore exemptions. If a medical examination says that it's difficult for you or your partner to have children, then they'd be exempted of any punishment.

I don't think it's psychologically a smart move to punish not having kids, but to reward having kids. That's why I say "extra pension". (By behind closed doors reducing pensions in general first, but they don't know that).

Helping people that can't have kids... We could allocate resources to them to help them adopt a child. Something like that. Once again, psychologically it would help them accept this. People give them the option that nature didn't provide them.

We're competing against the funds actually. I own ETFs that tracks the Stoxx 600. It has a yearly expense of 0,07% while bank funds would take like 2% or whatever.

Personally I'm not even thinking about my pension, cannot know what will happen in 37 years so I'm definitely taking it into my two own hands to accumulate assets.

Now, I understand why a pension is desirable. It's a safety net. And I agree with that. High minimum pension for anyone who is unable to work due to old age. Just like for people who can't work for other reasons.

But as Belgian, I know a lot of people that try and take advantage of our social safety nets. For a lot of people it's not because they need it, but view it as an extra passive income while doing nothing.

That's damaging to the social democrats. We need to get rid of the abuse, the corruption. We need to motivate people to do effort and reward that. And we have. Minimum wage in Belgium is quite high. Income inequality is 0,26 gini. Median net wealth is 250k euros.

Motivating people to have kids is also a necessity. To live more together in the same household. To use fewer resources. Be economically sustainable in the long term.

People are scared in Belgium, everyone is retiring. We've been accepting a lot of immigrants to help us out with this. Luckily, second generation immigrants are tremendously helpful.

To have a meaningful social net, we do need a good amount of people that can work. That can be parents.

We need to motivate people. And everyone that really cannot help society with this, they are exempted of course.

My friend her parents never worked a day in their lives. It's absolutely normal. Her dad's disabled and her mom takes care of him.

But another guy "didn't work for 10 years cuz his knees hurt" while he randomly showed up at our hospital working, magically, when he'd lose his free passive income. He's doing a desk job. Like everyone else.

Believe it or not, but I also am a leftist. Social democrat.

I say a lot of bad stuff though. Like: old people that did not have kids, should have less pension and use the money they have been saving up by not having kids.

This is seen as insane, but.. old people are the wealthiest class in most societies.

Yes there are exceptions and these people need help. High minimum pension for sure. They need a decent life.

But why would I want someone who didn't even have a kid to replace themselves as productive entity to gain a fantastic passive income on top of their already passive income generating assets?

a compromise would be something as simple as: retired person above age 65 gets +amount of euros per working child in insert home country.

It would incentivise having kids.

The reaction I get usually is that it's inhumane, that people are seen as production houses only, that people don't wanna be born... A lot of doomer stuff to be honest.

It would be fun if there's a place where you can only deny an idea if you can replace it with your own solution to the issue. In this case "aging population" (popular issue in Belgium right now)

Tankies go to .ml while liberals go to the other spaces. You don't really interact with eachother, there's several types of leftists etc.

I'm banned on several ml's and several liberal's.

They do not like people to talk back.

They moderate the places so that it works as an echo chamber. Mainly for leftists. Not many right wing people are coming towards Lemmy.

It's pretty silly, Lemmy is at one hand designed so that everyone can see eachother's content and opinions.

But at the other side, the spaces are moderated so that only their own opinions are allowed.

So there's a lot of polarisation instead of compromise.

Then you end up with extremists having power that wrecks havoc.

Compromise is the enemy of extremists. They love it that we separate ourselves so easily.

Liberals Vs tankies

Leftist infighting is what happens here.

People started having kids at later age. My parents were 36 and 37 when I was born, so here I am, mildly autistic.

On top of that, I'd never have known if I didn't go to a psychologist and ask my doctor.

My dad likely is autistic too. Just never went to a psychologist in his life. (He's the last child of 6 kids, so his parents were likely old at that stage too)

If it's not causing serious impairment, people won't seek information about it. There's a ton of people with neurodivergency that live perfectly fine lives.

It's the overactive amygdala that caused me the most impairment anyways, not autism. Luckily, that can be helped with a simple medicine.

Me, my pregnant wife, my retired dad and my working brother all live in one house. Belgium

Can we afford to live in 3 houses? Yes.

Is it necessary? No.

The house is paid off. One house is being heated, ...

Me and my wife save up about 2500 euros per month. My brother saves up even more because he's spending literally nothing. He saves up his entire paycheck.

Building generational wealth is pretty fun. My parents worked for us. Me and my wife work for our kid. I got basically a house as inheritance in a great economy. Our kid will have a house + investment portfolio (Stoxx 600, gold/silver, ...)

Our biggest "waste" of money is traveling. I don't even have a car, just using my taxes to have a long tail e bike that does the same shit.

We have 2 cars on the property, they barely are used. Literally one is being used to drive to train station. The other one for the grocery store within 2 km. It's good that one of those two is a company car, otherwise gigantic waste of money.

Our household (my wife works 14 hours per week ATM). Earns a net income of: 9300 euros.

Include capital gains of like 4%. It becomes a total of 13300 euros net "income" per month. An e bike valued 9,5k euros. An electric car.

All because we are mentally stable enough to live under one roof.

Lemmy is just left wing politics in an echo chamber

I don't see the problem if we're still able to increase the output ☺️

The food supply has been greatly increased in the latest 2 decades. Primary crops grew by 56% between 2000 and 2022

As long as you take care of your own pension then it's all fine. Do whatever you want.

Being productive

I don't deny climate change, I just accept it temporarily until world is developed enough to go emission neutral

Having a job isn't being exploited

Stay economically illiterate

They choose a booming economy and development over ecology. Just like we did in Europe in the 1800s

Go tell them to stop developing their economy because we want everyone to be emission neutral. While we are developed enough to achieve that already.

You really like keeping people poor

I'm just not going to work for their pension and I will not have my kid work for their pension