I've seen first hand what happens to wages/jobs and housing and cities because of immigration. Everyone knows about the crime issues from certain countries but most governments won't release that data.
The only reason they are "right wing talking points" is because the left are living in denial. This is the wokness feeling of immigration must be good because we say it's good. Yet whenever data comes out about immigration (when broken down not over all) it shoes bad things.
So please provide me with evidence. Maybe you will change my view. Like I said I used to vote left but seeing as the left live in denial. The right as you call them have figures showing immigration so bad. I'm going to have to go on what I've seen in reality and what the figures say. I'm not going to live in some leftie make believe land where every immigrant is an upstanding university educated, secular, LGBT loving, non sexist who believes in western values and integrates perfectly.
Countries don't allow anyone in. They get to pick and choose who they want. That's literally how immigration works.
If they let anyone in and gave then free healthcare then everyone could just go there and get free healthcare. That's doesn't make and sense, that's completely unsustainable.
They are on a working visa. They aren't on some 1950's move here and become a citizen visa.
Of course a lot of people that talk about reducing immigration, and not do anything about it. Usually the liberals and the right. They wont actually fix it because it is good for business.
The hope if by voting for something like the far right it shows the left parties. "Hey if you don't do something about immigration you won't get our vote". It's now a standoff. If we have to get a far right government in to stop immigration, well that's personally something I'm happy to vote for. But I would much much rather a left government that wants to drastically reduce immigration.
People have an issue with immigration but you have your talking points. You said them while ignoring concerns and that's the end of it. Yet the issues are still there.
Genuine question, is immigration really an issue
I guess it wasn't a genuine question after all. I told you the issues people have with immigration and you just act like they don't exist.
You want to know why people vote for the far right and I'm telling you. I have personally voted only voted for parties left of every single party that has ever been in power in my country. The last time I voted. I voted for the party that was most concerned about reducing immigration because I think it's that much of an issue.
You was talking about how less than 1% of immigration a year is fine. That was your point. So I used your less than one percentage at least mathematically and did an estimation. If you said less than 0.5 or less than 0.01 I would have used those numbers. You used 1 that's where it came from. You acted like anything less than 1 is fine, don't act like you didn't.
Of course immigration is stagnating wages it's supply and demand. "No one wants to work anymore we need to hire foreigners" no no one wants to do that shitty job at a below market wage, raise your wages and locals will take the job. The actual upper class know how to keep wages down and they do. When working class had actual bargaining power they shit themselves and undermined them.
We live in a capitalist world the labour market will correct itself with a reduction in supply. Dont get things mixed up, I have issues with the government for things but that doesn't mean immigration isn't a problem.
This is literally the "immigrants are ruining our country" argument.
What argument is that then and why is everyone that disagrees with you on the matter not worth listening to?
I'd love some stats. Give me some stats on financial contribution to country, crime, unemployment, cultural integration, based on immigration from country of origin, education and visa type for both first and second generation. Please I'd absolutely love that. But the only thing that is anything close is the Danish study and hidden figures from German and Sweden for crime. People are scared of reporting that because they know its going to show immigration isn't bad. I'd also love to know how the law of supply and demand are broken for housing and labour when it comes it immigration.
I have issue with the wealth and the upper class for a lot of reasons that are apart from the immigration issue. But I also blame them for the immigration issue too.
Problem is the left is so irrational there is no one to talk to. They just do everything of what feels good and live in a bubble.
People don't want a far right government. The fact they are willing to vote for one just shows how much of the population do care about immigration and feel like they need to vote for the far right because there is no one else.
Countries where the left have hardened up their immigration views has caused a dramatic decrease in votes for the far right.
1% per year is huge. By the time someone is born and get into the workforce and look at buying a house the population has gone up ~25%.
Yea immigration is an issue depending on how you see it. If you want to keep wages down and house prices up it's good.
If you concerned about increasing wages, having a house, your culture, low crime, less government spending then certain immigration is really bad. People against immigration aren't usually against a doctor coming from a closely alined friendly country. People against immigration is against how it has become an issue, not immigration in general. People want a say on the matter.
But the stats on immigration. Not just the feels as portrayed by a lot of people on the left show there are significant issues with crime and how it impacts working class people, never mind culture changing drastically. But this isn't immigration as a whole, this is some immigration.
But for a lot of people, even talking about it immediately makes you a Nazi. So people vote for people that don't treat them like shit for wanting to keep the way of life as is rather than selling out everything in the life for the gain of businesses and the upper class at the expense of themselves.
This is going to be the last warning shot I'm sure.
The far right rise because they are the only ones talking about immigration.
The left won right now. Two things can happen, either the left listen to millions of people screaming for reduced immigration and we never hear from the far right again. Or the left continue to ignore people and think this is the end of it. It won't be the end.
Being lactose intolerance implies that at some point there was some deadly form of milk and squirting shit out of your arse at 400mph is an appropriate way of dealing with it.
In my opinion. It's really important what happens in the next 5 years and how the media reports that.
Fascist is a term that gets thrown around too lightly for people that they disagree with especially on this website.
There is two things seem to being going on. Britain has moved left. That's largely due to how much everyone hates the conservatives rather than labour winning votes.
But the unexpected thing is Reform gaining a lot of seats and becoming second in certain seats. Reform have run on changing the voting system, house of lords, reducing taxes for small business and low incomes, improving the NHS. But the real reason people are voting for them in reducing immigration both legal and illegal. This is why they have gained millions of votes and if this doesn't get addressed their share will continue to increase because they are the only party talking about it in the way people want. But even though Reform want to increase defence spending they are friendly with Russia and not good on the environment.
The door is definitely opening for the UK to swing further right than the current Tories in 5 years.
Here lies the body of William Jay, Who died maintaining his right of way— He was right, dead right, as he sped along, But he's just as dead as if he were wrong.
Petrol price controls is a terrible idea.
Why not subsidised (free) public transport, more cycle lanes more cycle parking, subsidised electric bikes, mandated EV charging.