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I'm not sure how peoples delusions are a logical outcome.

If I don't like America that doesn't mean it suddenly isn't the richest country in the world just because I don't like it.

People really need to understand their bias, wanting SpaceX to be shit doesn't make it so. That's what we are talking about. Nothing else. SpaceX rockets aren't powered on feels.

When did the Germans use horses as offensive cavalry in WW2?

You can clearly find references of French and the British dragging their heels in the interwar years because presumably the posh boys want their horses.

You don't know what you are on about. What Hollywood movies are there about army modernisation in the interwar period you think I am watching? I'll actually enjoy watching it.

Don't care. He built the company, he's the face of it. People hate the company and live in a dreamland where it's failing because they want what Elon owns to be shit.

It isn't and they are wrong because they can't see past their bias.

NASA contracting stuff to space X has probably be the most amazing and sound financial decision they have made.

People on this website are so biased because Elon runs it but he genuinely built one of the most amazing companies in the world. Government including the US are miles behind them and struggling to play catch up and they are only trying because Space X has become so much better than them they have to.

I was watching an old documentary about ww2. When France declared war on Germany they just sat on there border watching them. Some British politician or general or something was there and asked why they didn't shoot them. They said "they aren't bothering us so we don't bother them". They made one offence at the start of the war when Germany's western flank was entirely exposed (it was also the only French offence of the entire war) they went about 100m then came back.

Then Germany attacked somewhere else and they folded.

Its actually amazing how much of a cluster fuck the start of ww2 was. Bringing back horses after inventing the tank 20 years before and using it ti win ww1 levels of intelligence.

He also uses the fact that he is a mod to bully people. He just holds it over the conversation at times to force it to go the way he wants.

People don't work like that and there are costs your aren't rationalising.

Things like pensions, healthcare, PTO, lower crime. But even then I think most people want to stay at home. So a large difference will cause a large movement when times are bad. But a small price difference isn't going to cause all the UK medical staff to move like a perfect competitive market.

UK people need to be paid more, bit not the same as the US.

Immigration as a whole is a different matter to controlled immigration. Ask people if they want more immigration from Australia or from Africa and the middle east and see what's comes up.

Immigration has been worse for working class people and Tories have been bad for them (they also caused a lot of the low wage immigration). Both statements can be true.

At lot of rich people and business owners have done well from immigration I won't deny. They haven't seen the issues and they are telling people who have the issues not to worry.

I'm not sure what you want from that photo. I think immigration should be allowed but I don't think we should be bringing in poor people to do poor peoples jobs for a low wage. Yea the rich immigrant should give to the local. But it doesn't mean a local should give to a rich immigrant, no country is responsible for the lives of every person in the world.

Go to places with high immigration level (even second and third generation) and tell me they have integrated fully into the UK. It's like an entirely different country. But it doesn't happen with Germans, or French, or Aussies.

Go look up British Muslim values of women, or homosexuals or marrying your cousin.

Supply and demand.

More supply of labour means reduced wages.

Local businesses not being able to attract local talent at low rates should mean they increase their rates, instead they find labour from elsewhere that will work for that low wages.

Wage suppression and lack of capital investment are huge underreported issues in the UK.

I'm not denying this isn't a problem all across Europe. A united front on this matter is the only way to solve it.

You are just taking asylum and illegal migration. Legal migration is a huge issue also. But I agree the media focuses on this a lot less and it spinning the narrative. But people want less legal and illegal migration. Legal migration is numerically the larger of the two.

Grouping immigration as all the same is problematic. Separate it by things like country and education and I bet the picture changes entirely.

But everything you said is not the whole picture. People do not want immigration they may produce less crime you might be right. But that's not the whole picture. It doesn't mean people want Muslim culture in the UK they want British culture. Immigrants coming over and integrating completely is not the same as generations of people coming over and not integrating.

Yet another report that groups all immigration as one unit. Separate it by country and education level then look at crime and contributions.

"UK immigration between 1994 and 2016 found it had reduced the hourly wage of UK-born wage earners in the bottom 20 per cent of the labour market by about 0.5p per year"

That's meant to be a good thing? That's a huge loss over a time period where wages are expected to be going up.

Nothing about housing.

So what. One of the most densely populated (not small)countries in the world should just keep increasing its population endlessly because it's good for numbers on a spreadsheet? There got to be more to life than increasing GDP endlessly.

Yea there a big issue with things like nursing. They don't get paid enough. I don't see how someone looks at nurses and says "wow they work really hard, have long hours, don't get paid much, don't get enough help with training. Should we fix all that? No let's just get immigrants to suffer like that because the locals won't".

But have said all that. Shouldn't it be the choice of the people? Lower immigration and less GDP growth or high immigration and high GDP growth. A lot of people in the UK would be willing to make comprises to reduce immigration legal, illegal and asylum. There is more to life than GDP.

That's probably why there are so many countries in the UK isn't there? Because of a long history going back 1000's of years. Maybe that's entirely different to 1's of years don't you think?

I think most people think French and Germans integrate a lot better into the UK than people from the third world. We don't have cities that are know for all speaking French, or other cities where people walk around in Lederhosen. Not all immigration is the same.

Need to look at Ireland really? No countries within the UK need to be looked at. Ireland is completely distinct from all other counties in the UK?

Ireland, India, Pakistan, Palestine. What percentage of foreign born people live there? Even south Africa will have low foreign born population right?

Ireland had riots about migrants last year didn't they?

You think Palestine and South Africa are good examples of what a country should want to become?

I don't think we need to pay the same as the US.

But I agree paying nurses more is the right thing to do. The fact that it will increase number of people moving into that job and reduce immigration is also a good thing.

We are talking about the UK here not England, so let's get that right. You even linked to a study about the UK! Or would you like to talk about England? But it doesn't have it's own immigration policy. Bad start, really doesn't look like you know anything.

Do you know how overpopulated the UK is? I don't think people want it increasing by 10 million in 25 years. If it increased by 800,000 I'm sure people would prefer that.

This is so much money held up in housing that a population decline would free up discretionary income. Reduced immigration could instead cause increased wages and force businesses to train more local workers which would take strain off government services.

Don't for a moment think I don't understand there is pros and cons to immigration. But I don't think the UK wants 9 million immigrants from the 3rd world. Is if had a choice between reducing GDP (which is actually not the be all and end all) and decreasing immigration, or increasing GDP by reducing wages and increasing housing by immigration. I'll take the first one.

Give the UK a choice. I'll be poorer for less immigration because culture, housing, safety more space is more important to me than GDP growrh

When records began on that topic.

You got anything older I'd like to see it actually.

No it wasn't.

I was on about views of immigration

It did dip for a time, depending on the data, but its obviously going back up.

It's because you are trying to fix a difficult problem with an easy solution that just pushes the can down the road.

Problem: We don't train enough NHS staff

Solution: Train the same amount of NHS staff, reduce their (real) wages and hire immigrants.

The issue of shit pay and not enough education is still there.

No one on this website what's to live in reality. Look you might want to disagree with peoples views but you can't disagree with what peoples views are.

Consistently since records began British people have wanted less immigration.

The way democracy works is the people get a say on their future. But consistently they have been ignored. For a lot of people Brexit was a vote on reducing immigration and that was ignored immigration went up.

People are obviously sick of being ignored they have consistently voted for the party talking the most about reducing immigration and they didn't do anything.

People are getting desperate that democracy isn't working.

People look at how certain cities have completed changed and they do not want that. People do not want Muslim values yet we have them. The influence of Islam in 2024 is way higher than anyone could have imagined from pre 2000. Britain somehow went from religion being less important to people to now it becoming more important.

Attacking people because they are X isnt right. But let's not pretend this has come out of nowhere. It's been bubbling for decades.

Surely this goes without saying.

What's wrong with people nowadays? Standards are just dropping across the board