Viking_Hippie @ Viking_Hippie @lemmy.world

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You're fundamentally ignoring or misunderstanding what a fallacy is. Here's the dictionary definition:

Note that, by any of those 3 definitions, the argument that it's absurd to take Ben & Jerry's freedom of speech seriously because Trump is a fallacy.

Just likely a slippery slope argument is valid when a certain course of action legitimately leads to increasingly negative outcomes (such as for example treating Trump as a serious candidate in the first place in 2015), a usually valid argument technique is fallacious when used fallaciously.

And in case you still believe that nothing can be a fallacy without having the word "fallacy" in the opening paragraph of Wikipedia, I invite you to look up "hyperbole" and "slippery slope" there.

Such a shame! Dairy Free Darfur Durian was one of their best flavors!

Reducto ad absurdum is not a logical fallacy

Not inherently, no, but it is when used fallaciously. Like in this case.

Just like deliberate hyperbole is not a fallacy when used skillfully and transparently to underscore a point, it's the context and the delivery that decides whether something is a valid reducto ad absurdum argument or a reducto ad absurdum fallacy.

In case you forgot while I was elaborating: this is a case of the latter.

People on the Internet mess this up all the time

Yeah, you're doing it right now.

I don't think OP is right--there's lots of different layers to issues like this that can be explored--but not because of that

You're sorta right about that: the way they expressed their wrongheaded opinion isn't the cause of them being wrong, merely a symptom.

It's America's Finest News Source!

The Onion’s parent company, Global Tetrahedron

Eee! They named the parent company after the evil corporation parent company in The Onion Movie! That makes me unreasonably happy! 😂🥰

Which he and his administration of course failed spectacularly at in every way possible.

He was exactly the wrong president for the moment.

The country needed bold action to stave off societal collapse and in stead, it got Mr Slow And Steady to reassure the owner donors by rearranging the deck chairs and shouting at people to stop complaining about the icebergs.

I mean, selling them to UAE, a habitual violator of most human rights and sportswasher extraordinare, shouldn't have been tolerated in the first place..

A 13 October letter addressed to then-Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer from their US counterparts said Israel must allow 350 aid trucks a day into Gaza over the next 30 days. Most aid organisations estimate that around 700 trucks a day are needed to meet everyday needs.

In the second half of October, the World Food Programme said just 58 trucks a day were being allowed into Gaza

It's beyond tragicomedy and into dystopia. That anyone believes a word the complicit US government says about the fascist apartheid regime at this point is proof positive that political gaslighting is much more effective than most people believe.

since then, Israeli forces have sealed off northern Gaza and announced on the day of the US election, on 5 November, that its former residents would not return to their homes.

To the surprise of no honest and observant person paying attention. And with no consequences now or ever.

I fucking hate how corrupt and fundamentally dishonest the motherfuckers who were the LEAST evil choice in the election they spectacularly bungled are 🤬

And we don't park our car in Harvard yard. We leave our bicycle at the Technical University of München meter.

Two points:

1. all Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. Nazis liked public works projects and pretending to be socialists, both of which are anathema to the American Fascist Party
2. The ones campaigning with Republicans stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the fact that Republicans are fascists.

Other than the campaigning with the politically identical daughter of a war criminal, admitting that it consists of giving concessions to fascists is SUPER inconvenient for the party pretending that "bipartisanship" is the greatest political virtue.

You know you're contradicting yourself, right?

Actively embracing the daughter with identical politics of Dick Cheney IS going hard right.

It may say "sane Republicans oppose Trump", but it also says "we are so obsessed with winning over the Right that we'll endorse people who are against everything we pretend to believe in while ignoring the Left that we're pretending to represent"

It didn't "add depth", it made obvious their hypocrisy and lack of regard for policy that affects the lives of regular people more than those of themselves and their owner donors.

I'm beginning to think this Charlie might be a bad egg 🤔

Because Biden is a feckless conservative Democrat who cares more about protecting the INSTITUTIONS of American democracy, such as the notion that presidents and former presidents deserve special treatment, than democracy itself and appointed an AG who agrees.

infighting with the only legitimate opposition to Republicans criticizing the billionaire-owned controlled opposition that is as complicit as any non-Republican in allowing fascism to rise again.

Fixed it for you.

Most based WKUK by far 😘👌

Nah, it's still checks and balances. Billionaires write checks and Republicans add the money to their balances.

Restating the original point as a rebuttal to a comment agreeing with it is an interesting choice 🤔

...maybe? 🤷

Laughing at someone is hostile

As I made clear in another comment, that part was a joke. As in I didn't mean it. I don't endorse body shaming, even if someone's a selfish lover lol

Parting ways amicably is much better.

Yeah, obviously.

I also think that men should not be pressed to do things they don't want to do in bed

Nobody's suggesting that. Can we do this without the strawmen, please?

Also, not every woman enjoys the same methods, so teaching a man something might not work for his next partner.

Sure, but some things work for more than one person. Such as being open to suggestions of how to improve. Which needs to be a two-way street and voluntary, of course.

People have different tastes in sexual stuff.

You don't say?

It's necessary to communicate and be prepared that there can be different preferences

Of course. That's what I'm advocating for.

It's ok if someone doesn't want to do some stuff in bed.

Again, I never said to force anyone to do anything. I meant something along the lines of "X isn't really working for me, could you try Y?" or "I really like X, is that something you're into?", NOT "do X or get out!"

I'd argue that people are not obligated to learn

I mean technically being selfish isn't illegal.. Still better for everyone if they aren't, though 🤷

If they don't want to learn what you need to be happy with them, leave them.

Except for the fact that the next one along is gonna get bad sex too. A lover is like a public park: when you're done using it, the polite thing is to leave it as good or better than when you arrived.

Don't push them to do something they don't want to do.

Unlike the OP, I'm advocating for constructive criticism and pointers. That's not pushing. That's nudging at most.

There's no reason to be hostile about it.

If you think giving helpful advice on how you can better please someone in bed, in stead of pretending that they're already a champion, is hostile behavior, that's a YOU problem..