Vespair @ Vespair @lemm.ee

you're probably an idiot. I know I am.

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Every person is already paying for Youtube with their data. The ads are asking above and beyond.

It would be an entirely different story if Google wasn't primarily first a data-mining company, but since they are, and since selling that data (or the results of using that data) in of the MAIN revenue streams for their business, it is disingenuous to act like Youtube is some free service that is being offered to us. It's not; it's a massive data-mining operation of incredible value as it offers not just demographic information but vastly more details on individual interests and what kind of things they are likely to actually click and interact with than the vast majority of other platforms and sites.

We have got to stop ignoring the data aspect of businesses like Youtube.

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You have already been paying Google for that 6+ hours before even a penny came out of your account - you're just been paying in data. We have to stop pretending Google is some good guy that left an open platform in the world and just said "if you use it we'll show you some ads."

Ads aren't even the main revenue stream for Youtube, data is. All of these points about "paying for a service" become moot the moment we acknowledge the value of the data Google is farming from our interactions. This is how we're paying for Youtube. If you choose to buy Youtube Premium, understand that you're paying to not have ad interruption. You aren't paying for Youtube, because that was already happening, you're just paying for the convenience of avoid ads.

Don't be disingenuous. We are already paying for that service, in our data and attention.

It would be an entirely different story if paying for Youtube Premium immediately opted you out of participating in Google's data-mining and data-selling, and if paying for Youtube Premium removed not just the overt ads but the algorithmically-manipulated advertising content as well (what is the effective difference between a Pepsi ad and a Good Mythical Morning video titled "trying every new Pepsi flavor"?), but it since it DOESN'T do those then we aren't talking about paying for a service - we are talking about a company asking for every penny in our wallet for a service which we are already paying for.

I've said it before, but until Epic adds some way to provide feedback to others, I won't spend any money on it. Being able to read if a game is buggy, runs on my hardware, etc, is too essential to the experience to not have.

Epic wants to be the pro-developer storefront, but since that seems to involve being anti-consumer, I as the consumer have no interest.

Imo this should actually be illegal. I'm find with reasonable promotional displays and offers, but there needs to be some legal option to permanently decline. Having to tell YouTube "no" literally hundreds of times is legitimately ludicrous

I love this so fucking much. Eccentric people are the best.

Also somebody please invite this old dude to play D&D

How exactly does blocking them amplify their voice, especially when loudly calling for others to do the same?

Guys please stop arguing with this disingenuous accelerationist. They clearly give zero fucks about actually making the world better or improving conditions for real people, they're just here to cosplay revolutionary and support the conservative status quo.

Don't engage with them, just block them.

Hey now that's not fair; Tulsi will sell herself to anyone willing to pay, not just exclusively Russia!

I understand what you're saying and I want to sympathize, but I feel like we're so far outside the norm here that some of this falls a bit flat to me. Like we aren't talking about being swayed by a wolf in sheep's clothing here, Trump is a an entire pack of wolves loudly shouting "the wolves have arrived, fuck all you sheep!"

I think there was a point what you say rang true, but I can't help but feel like we're so off-course at this point that if you haven't seen Trump for what he is yet it must be because you are WILLFULLY evading that reality.
I find it genuinely difficult to believe that anyone touting the "both sides are the same narrative" still, today, about Trump, can possibly truly believe that. I genuinely think you are only hearing from the mouths of charlatans, foreign agents, intentional accelerationists, and the absolute most genuinely ignorant of people. Maybe I'm jaded, but the alternative is legitimately incomprehensible to me at this point.

Even when you aren't seeing ads their algorithm is still controlling your front page, allowing them to push partner content that isn't directly advertising but still acts like it. The differences between a commercial for Doritos and an episode of Good Mythical Morning titled "Trying Every Doritos Flavor" from the perspective of the PepsiCo marketing department are that people might willingly click on the GMM video and they probably didn't even have to pay anyone for the video to happen.
Sure Rhett & Link may not have a partnership with Pepsi and are just innocently making content to give their audience (I genuinely believe this), so they've got no part in this becoming advertising, but you would have to be incredibly naïve to believe that Google's algorithm isn't smart enough to recognize that video and others like it as marketable content the promotion of which can be sold to PepsiCo.

Premium subscribers may not be seeing ads, but they are absolutely still seeing advertising.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_toilet

The most effective science fiction is that which is only an arm's reach away from current fact.

........with cookies and hearty "Well done, lads"?

I don't think we should encourage it, but frankly I also don't think it's the apocalyptic moral event others seem to either. Humanity fucked outside, in relative public for centuries and I'm pretty sure not every single child of that era was forever traumatized by it.

Oh god, imagine midroll ads on Pornhub..... "Oh yeah baby, lick that wet- [Overly loud and obnoxious Adam & Eve ad starts playing]"

I mean yes, as far as I can tell most of the universe is, in fact, shit.

And just like that my suspension of disbelief in this story is shattered. I hope you're happy.

BREAKING NEWS: COMPLAINING BAG OF LIES COMPLAINS AND LIES, MORE AT 11.

Fair and I agree. I should have stated it in the past tense because what I really meant is exactly what you stated - that I wouldn't have brought the adblock to Youtube had they not gone nuclear assault in their ad approach and made the choice unreasonable, now I am unwilling to engage with them honestly without ENORMOUS, HERUCLEAN efforts towards rehabilitation on their part.

Cheers.