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Holy strawman! I never said all the Israelis have to leave. I said they should share the land, like every other developed country in the world that has black people and white people that live in the same areas, or natives and immigrants, etc. I'm not against immigration, I'm against using it as manpower to violently disposess natives and sweep people from their homes, then giving the immigrants better rights while pushing the people who lived there to smaller and farther areas until you get all their land. You know, settler colonialism. Just give everyone the same rights and protections.

There's a reason there's only 20% Palestinian Israelis. They were all violently kicked out, then kept in these small, dense settlements of Gaza and the West Banks, and they need special citizenship and passports to travel to Israel or even from one to the other.

I was talking about the nakba, but the West Bank settlements also applies, I suppose. We can call them illegal, but Netanyahu has christened a bunch of them despite what the international community thinks, and it's still happening.

Really good write up! I appreciate the effort put into it.

It is really sad the persecution of Jewish people, and I definitely sympathize. But the only part I want to clarify is that you kind of glossed over the nakba in that part where the British stopped holding the peace. If it was just a small continuous trickle of Jewish refugees into Palestine, no one would have a problem with it, except for the normal anti-immigration folks. But it's that part where you decide to give part of the country away and then the violent disposession of people from their homes to enforce it that seems wrong, and should ring familiar with those who know about the genocide of the Indians in the US.

But I blame the British and UN, too. They're the ones who offered to cut pieces away from a country to offer to the immigrants. It's like if your landlord came in and said you're going to have to rent one of your bedrooms to his nephew, and even though you're the one who lives there and pays rent, you can't argue because he's the landlord.

And I even understand the desire to secure a homeland at all costs after such a huge, terrible event of the holocaust. But that doesn't mean I agree with it, and the consequences continue to reverberate to this day show partly why. Working for peace and seeing the signs of fascism to prevent it from happening again is the answer, not a might makes right apartheid ethnostate. There's some lesson here about violence leading to violence.

Black people have gone through their own shit here in the United States, and while some people have suggested just leaving the country and making their own place in Africa, I think Martin Luther King, Jr's dream was a much better idea (seriously, read the history of Liberia, it's filled with violence and oppression towards the natives followed by them rising up, and then civil wars even into the 2000's). Just make the place here the kind of place that's better. And while it's not perfect, it's way better than it used to be, and I think he was proven right.

It was external settlers generally, especially starting around the Law of Return being a thing. Wikipedia and other sources says about 50% come from Europe and Russia, and the other generally from the surrounding Middle Eastern countries once Israel became a thing and started calling people towards it. Even today, lots of people immigrate there from Europe or the US.

Are you talking from thousands of years ago? That's a strange justification to kick people out of their houses in the last 70 years, but I am down to read other sources if you've got them. I am admittedly still pretty new to this whole subject.

Was Rabin the one assassinated by a Zionist who was so close to making a good treaty? If so, we need more of those.

I think they mean they just share the land with the Palestinians, the people who they threw out when they got there.

If the US can manage it with African Americans or Native Americans, or South Africa can manage it post apartheid, or the UK can manage it after the Troubles, I think it's possible. It won't be easy, but it's worth the work to stop the violence.

Or Reddit. But don't look at Reddit lol.

Wasn't there some companion game to EVE Online that was supposed to be like that?

I loved Final Fantasy IX but sometimes I think I dreamed it because no one else ever talks about it, just VI, VII, and then over to X usually lol.

Damn that sucks. That guy should quit, or just do the job the slowest they can.

You're justifying thousands of deaths, including mostly children. It's not a war, it's a slaughter against a mostly civilian populace to justify taking out a terrorist group they propped up themselves and continue to inflame with policies like kicking them out of their homes, the blockade, restricting their aid and food and trade, controlling their air and water space, controlling their trash, electricity, and now they've been trying to control oil found on their land.

May I suggest you don't fill your heart with hatred and learn to have some empathy for civilians that look different than you or speak different than you?

I'm mostly talking in the US, Canada, Australia, South Africa, places in the modern period that have used settler colonialism to displace and destroy indigenous populations.

As for the playbook, generally it's you move a big population in at once, set up shop, take over, tell any locals to move over and enforce it with violence, use a treaty to keep the land and move them over permanently. Then, individuals slowly expand to their land, sometimes rogue, but usually supported by the government either way. They push the boundaries of the "given land" or take resources from it, the native population plea for help is ignored until they push back with violence, the colonizers retaliate with overwhelming force, enough to keep the land settlers have been slowly taking anyway and probably take more, the populations are displaced more, either put in a smaller box or forced to move over again. Repeat.

And God help them if there's resources revealed to be in their area, like oil.

Haha true enough

Tbh, the Hamas did get kind of something out of this in that the Palestinian crisis got more attention than I've ever seen before. A new generation of young people have seemed to have escaped the Israeli propaganda and support freedom for Palestinians. Hopefully, people don't forget after the ceasefire and we get some sort of more permanent solution, preferably a one state one, but Joe and other leaders prefer a two state one, but whatever works.

So the teacher was supporting against Zionism and occupation? That middle picture confused me. Did that student just get confused, too, and mi's-typed?

I'm excited!

I'm excited for the scaling sort.

Nah it's a pretty good start, especially since they're using the deaths to kick everyone out of their homes into smaller and smaller areas, or forcing them into other countries. It's how the genocide on native populations has worked everywhere else, too, so we already know the playbook.

Because it's nothing compared to the destruction wrought by Israel on Gaza. It's not enough to matter and focuses on the wrong things. Of course genocide apologists would love to focus on anything but the genocide.

Oh I see. You were talking about the US, I was talking the USSR. I get it. It gets harder to reply to these as the posts get longer and longer lol.

The special period was in the 90's. That was a lot more recent than 60 years ago. And yes, they did adjust to the Soviet Union falling after that by trading with a few other countries, like Venezuela or Russia, but none of them have been the super power the USSR was, and they've never rose to the heights that they were at beforehand because the embargo still exists. They've renegotiated supply lines where they can, but the embargo makes it extremely difficult. They've made mistakes and been slow to adapt at times, but it's hard to describe how hard that has been on them (plus Covid ruining their tourism industry). Theres a reason the UN votes overwhelmingly every year to have the US end it. Hell, even Obama lightening the load the slightest amount started to help their economy, which shows a glimmer of the potential, before Trump made it even worse.

They noticeably had some agricultural reforms recently including loosening of what livestock can be used for. Government salaries are extremely low because the country is very poor. They've been able to keep their social programs because they're dedicated to their people more than they are keeping a few people very rich. Compare them to other poor Latin American countries and it becomes even more obvious.

Cuba wouldn't just gain the ability to export to the US, it would change a lot. The US makes it difficult for products that are made with US parts to be imported there from anywhere, they don't let ships that port at Cuba to port in the US, they pressure countries that trade with them, foreign subsidiaries of US countries can't trade with them, and more. Often countries don't find it worth it to navigate the regulations, like when Gofundme canceled funds to Cuba or Cuban people even when for medicine or whatever, during the pandemic. That's why Cuba tends to work with countries that don't mind pissing off the US, like Venezuela or Russia.

Yes, they've made mistakes, and will probably make more if the embargo is ever lifted, but at least they'd have control over their own destiny, instead of the US.