Tryptaminev @ Tryptaminev @lemm.ee

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It is because it broke down after the first delivery and the first delivery got blocked by the IDF and wasnt distributed. So the Pier didnt really deliver anything yet.

It is also still far too little and the US could force Israel to open all borders to let in as much aid as is actually needed by stopping to send them weapons and provide diplomatic cover. Plus if the US would apply sanctions, Israel could be forced to retreat from Gaza and finally start upholding international law within a few days.

If with October 7 you include the weekend until including October 9 and account people that died of injuries inflicted in that itme, then the number is zero. So Israeli civillians that were killed after the events commonly referred to as October 7.

Also for the number of October 7 it is conveniently ignored by pro Israel media, that about 400-500 of the Israelis killed were active duty soldiers. So the number of genuine Israeli victims of Hamas terror is around 700. Of these iirc. about 30-35 were children. So basically the rate of Palestinian childrens butchered by IDF to pass any random afternoon in the past 8 months.

i am running Linux for gaming now too and i have yet to encounter a steam game that does not run smoothly out of the box with Proton on my machine.

I can't help but feel the individual direct consequences to be like pretty small to the institutional risks.

Imagine China all of a sudden getting access to all the trade secrets of US companies that still ran MS. Imagine Russia gaining full access to all the government, health, educational data of every single US citizen. Or imagine something like the recent fuckup of google deleting the entire cloud of one financial institutions. Imagine MS to fuck up royally and all consumer facing computers in all banks to be broken for three weeks...

All of these are not immediately targeting the individual directly, but they can be extremely destructive to a nation or even globally as a whole.

And the Nazis called themselves national socialists. Doesn't mean their economic policies had anything to do with socialism (quite to the contrary).

Advertisment labels are not what to judge these things on, but concrete policies. And those were state capitalist in China and the reason for the protests and massacre. And they continue to this day.

Yes. But people dont want to acknowledge that because then they would need to acknowledge, that mass murder and massacres are nothing specific to any form of economy, but specific to authoritarianism and then they might have to face their own support of current authoritariansm.

What kind of abstruse logic is this? Next thing you are going to say the people murdered in Gaza today are the victims of Christian crusaders.

The victims under Mao were victims of communism. But it wasn't Mao that committed the Tiananmen massacre. It was a state capitalist regime that was supported by the West.

Why are you trying to spread disinformation about historical events?

You are just doing what i criticised. You are cherry-picking instead of acknowledging the protests as a whole.

Freedom of expression was one of many goals. And the protests were caused by the capitalist reforms, which gave rise to people demanding freedom of expression to be able to express their anger over the consequences of those capitalist reforms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

The protests were precipitated by the death of pro-reform Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Hu Yaobang in April 1989 amid the backdrop of rapid economic development and social change in post-Mao China, reflecting anxieties among the people and political elite about the country’s future. The reforms of the 1980s had led to a nascent market economy that benefited some people but seriously disadvantaged others, and the one-party political system also faced a challenge to its legitimacy. Common grievances at the time included inflation, corruption, limited preparedness of graduates for the new economy, and restrictions on political participation. Although they were highly disorganized and their goals varied, the students called for things like rollback of the removal of “iron rice bowl” jobs, greater accountability, constitutional due process, democracy, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech. Workers’ protests were generally focused on inflation and the erosion of welfare. These groups united around anti-corruption demands, adjusting economic policies, and protecting social security. At the height of the protests, about one million people assembled in the square.

China was already state capitalist by then and people protested that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

The protests were precipitated by the death of pro-reform Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Hu Yaobang in April 1989 amid the backdrop of rapid economic development and social change in post-Mao China, reflecting anxieties among the people and political elite about the country's future. The reforms of the 1980s had led to a nascent market economy that benefited some people but seriously disadvantaged others, and the one-party political system also faced a challenge to its legitimacy. Common grievances at the time included inflation, corruption, limited preparedness of graduates for the new economy, and restrictions on political participation. Although they were highly disorganized and their goals varied, the students called for things like rollback of the removal of "iron rice bowl" jobs, greater accountability, constitutional due process, democracy, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech. Workers' protests were generally focused on inflation and the erosion of welfare. These groups united around anti-corruption demands, adjusting economic policies, and protecting social security. At the height of the protests, about one million people assembled in the square.

China was already state capitalist by then and people protested that.

Obligatory reminder that the Tiananmen protests were against capitalist reforms that were crucial in shaping todays China and were very much welcomed by the Western countries.

It is adding insult to the injury, that the western narrative keeps eluding this aspect to make it seem like the protestors died for the opposite of what they actually protested for.

Israels society has been deeply poisoned with fascism for many years and it grew exponentially over the past 8 months, especially with the encouragement of its allies. Even if the protest marches make up ten percent of the population, very few of them are in the army. And a lot of the people protesting Netanyahu do support the genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.

The problem is that seeking peace is not only dangerous to Netanyahu and his crownies. If the IDF stops the genocide now, there is the risk of accountability for its soldiers. People might start to question the atrocities not only committed, but proudly filmed and uploaded to social media. If they stop now they would need to acknowledge, that their targets were still humans with dignity and rights that they brutally violated. By continuing the genocide they can continue the story of fighting "human animals" and justify their actions to themselves and internally.

If they stop the genocide now, there is 2 million people left that need to get access to humanitarian aid, need to be sheltered and there is basically all of Gaza that needs to be rebuilt. If Israel would pay for that, it would extremely strain them financially and the terrorist settlers and other fascists would fight it violently. If the western allies would have to do it, they would be very pissed with how much money they'll have to put forward, further severing ties.

All the survivors are potential witnesses and creating some sort of stability will allow them to tell their stories. There can be research into everything that happened and war crimes could be documented and verifies very precisely.

So the murderers in the IDF and all the fascists have a lot to loose and they have all the guns. A military coup is a very real threat and whoever is protesting now does not have the same individual risks associated with continuing. Instead the risk is more abstract of Israel breaking apart and being left without support by its former allies, ultimately leading to its defeat. But that is not so much of a motivation to put yourself in front of a gun as staying out of life imprisonment is a motivation for the person holding that gun to pull the trigger on you.

Good. We have seen with apartheid South Africa that isolation of a rogue terrorist nation is the only non military way of returning it to the community of somewhat lawful nations. No surprise that Israel was a close ally of apartheid South Africa

I understand that you want to delude yourself there. Ukraine managed to fight off the initial Russian push, that was run like they expected to be handed over the keys to Kiev by the third day and were suprised when their columns just endlessly running on the streets got attacked all of a sudden.

But Ukraine acknowlegdes that they would have been defeated without the western equipment over the past two years. We saw how just the US delaying their aid for a while thanks to the Republicans pushed Ukraine limits hard.

I wonder what the game of the US army is then though. They can't be interested in having their planes just fall apart or their bombs just go off at random. Letting Boeing get away with deliberately killing civillians through poor quality and QA will only let that culture leak into the military production branch too.

and, well, ask the Egyptians how hard it is to root out the Muslim Brotherhood.

You mean the Muslim Brotherhood whose presidential candidate got democratically elected by Egypt? The President who then got couped with the help of the US to install the Sisi regime that is worse than the Mubarak regime, which sparked the Arab spring in the first place?

We said the same thing about Putin invading Ukraine. We somehow believed that the neoliberal globalized economy would allow only wars to destabilize certain regions to make resource exploitation easier for the global powers. Well turns out eventually the global powers are facing off with each directly after running out of proxies.

He wants a Netanyahu to agree to a temporary ceasefire to get some breathing room for his election campaign. He wants things to continue afterwards, when managed to distract people from the topic.

How is that so complicated to understand? It is the same kind of stunt like with the holding back one shipment of bombs and then delivering $ 17,000,000,000 more of weapons to Israel to continue the slaughter.

Biden was lying. He thought that he could pressure Netanyahu to agree, but since so far Israel continued to receive almost full support from the US despite all public talking, Netanyahu knows that Biden is his lapdog.

Biden has been and wants to continue to support Netanyahu and the genocide. It is only now that he starts fearing people to be fed up with genocide Joe, that he needs to do something about it. But he completely underestimates that the people aren't stupid and they have learned so much about the reality of Israel and the US that just building a Pier for aid that didnt deliver more than one shipment doesn't cut it. Biden is an old man that is unable to face new realities and understand that people don't perceive the world along his entrenched convictions. He said it himself. He is a Zionist and he wants to always support Zionism. He just struggles to understand why progressive Americans are not fine with mass murder of brown people anymore.

More like there is a century old structure that promotes rich "donors" interests and a cohesive American political and economical elite that shares those interests.

Note how the "social democrat" minister of the interior is following the fascists talking points in talking about a great "islamist danger". She is trying to help the fascists in moving the focus away from the ever increasing, and far greater threat of fascist violence an terrorism in Germany. They also did the same exaggerating radical leftist violence.

The social democrats in Germany (SPD) is a party that moved from the center left to the right, with the conservative party (CDU) of former chancellor Merkel now having moved towards far-right populism/extremism.

The minister of the interior continues to ignore the threat of fascist infiltration and radicalisation in her police and intelligence forces. Racist attacky by police both on and off duty are downplayed, while every few months a "chat group" is uncovered with dozens of officers, including high ranking ones sharing nazi memes, calling for another holocaust or organizing stealing of weapons and creating "death lists" of political opponents to murder during a coup.