subversive_dev @ Transform2942 @lemmy.ml

I sail the high seas of the Lemmyverse, posting snarky + Lefty comments

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There would certainly be peace the day after a nuclear apocalypse too

That's it? Your big trump card is that they call for the destruction of the occupier state? After 70 years of land theft and genocide, wouldn't you? Would you call for 'civility' and 'dialogue'?

If you want to really squint and generously apply false equivalence, you could compare the decades-long ecocide, driving indigenous people off the land, deprivation of rights, apartheid and more to the possibilities I outlined I guess.

Funny how the supposed theoretical genocide of an extremely militarized society somehow justifies the continued perpetuation of a genocide against an impoverished society and people.

The occupier is always the victim in the eyes of the media they control.

Joe Biden could order a blockade on the single functioning port. Joe Biden's Treasury department could instantly destroy the occupier economy with sanctions, as they should be doing under US and international law. Joe Biden could signal to the Iranians and Hezbollah that Israel is no longer allowed to operate with impunity.

Don't make the mistake of confusing pretend impotence for true impotence.

I agree that the entire West is complicit in the genocide.

Regarding "friendly nations," what happened to make the Iranians unfriendly to the United States?

The solution is not enabling the settlers and ultra-orthodox.

Another option is destroying / blockading the last functioning Zionist port, I expect that will get results real quick. They have decided to build their civilization inspired by the worst excesses of the West, so it will quickly collapse in the absence of endless imports.

Once you turn the grim logic of destroying houses and resource starvation back on the occupiers, you don't have to keep pretending that they are mysterious, incomprehensible, and immovable.

Was there a no-fly zone and recognition of an independent state in 1949? Why are you treating right-wing genocidists as though they are a force of nature?

Seems like quick work for the armored bulldozers so beloved by the occupiers, if karma is a real thing....

Definitely a false choice, right off the bat.

The USA could impose a no-fly zone based on the 1949 borders.

The settlers could be rightly expelled from the West Bank.

Palestine could be recognized as an independent state.

None of that requires any cooperation from the right-wing death cult currently controlling the occupiers.

None of that requires a genocide, just the long overdue abandonment of illegal settlements.

I wouldn't personally go with "Jewish Money" as the terminology...😬

That aside, certainly the effect of AIPAC and friends is a part of the pathology. That doesn't change the fact that Joe Biden could end the genocide anytime he wanted. The Zionist entity cannot survive without US hard power backing.

Ok, deal, let's do that and find out

You know, I definitely ignored the rest of your comment, that's fair.

I share your hope that VP Harris won't be as intransigent in support of the occupiers as Biden.

"According to our simulations that we ran for ourselves, very bad things will happen if we are not in charge. Therefore anything we do to maintain hegemony is justified."

Forgive me for sleeping on some sort of Orson Scott Card geopolitics fantasy, based on assumptions that other countries will be just as imperialistic as the USA. I'm much more concerned about the current ongoing genocide of the Palestinians that has continued for over 50 years.

I mean, yea. You think the world is some happy go lucky place where people don't fight each other?

Umm...lol no. I think the world is run by military forces and their obedient governments.

The US dropped two nuclear bombs on civilians in Japan to end a war quickly

Vaporize civilians for peace!

they'd kill civilians again in a heartbeat if it was beneficial to America

If by America you mean imperial warmaking and profits then yes, "they" have, would, and will continue.

The number of civilians that died from the American invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11 shows that very clearly. The current Palestinian death toll is less than 10% of that 20 year conflict, and it was done by Americans directly

This point is really confusing but....yay America?

Cuba is being used as a pawn by other countries to threaten the US

Wow what a take. Other countries support Cuba, so the USA gets to perpetuate invasions, assassination attempts, terrorism and eternal economic warfare. The Cubans have no autonomy but also they brought this on themselves.

You seriously think the Israeli state could survive a loss of US support? They are just as much a vassal as they were then, if not more. They are completely isolated on the world stage and surrounded by geopolitical rivals. Their society is crumbling as we speak. Without the US playing defense, the international community would have come down on Israel decades ago. Do you remember how much they freaked out when Joe Biden kinda sorta hinted that he might possibly not send them all the bombs they wanted?

Ronald Reagan made one phone call and the Israelis immediately stopped bombarding Lebanon. The vassal state has to do whatever the fuck the US president wants. It's a complete joke to think otherwise. Joe Biden could go on TV right now and publicly withdraw support for the occupiers and their government and military would collapse overnight.

And do you know how many American lives are being saved by letting Israel fight Iran as a proxy rather than letting it fall and having to deal with the headache afterwards?

Wow, what an argument. Look the other way and prop up the genocidal apartheid state because otherwise we might have to use blood in addition to treasure to defend imperial interests in the Middle East. Just...wow.

It's the same reason why the embargo of Cuba still exists.

What reason is that exactly?

Since severing ties with Israel would only lead to more chaos in the region

Oh I'm sold. Do as much genocide as you want, as long as you are an implement of United States' resource extraction policy.

We would certainly prefer you didn't do the genocide, but loss of hegemony is what is truly unacceptable, that's a red line we won't cross.

Be careful, criticism is only allowed against Bad Countries, or else the Downvotes of Freedom will come for you

Fair enough, I capitulated and I use spotify for podcasts now

Have you used Firefox recently? There are a few chrome only sites but I've been daily driving it for a few months and it's mostly upside

Pretty weak response. What would a good comeback have been?

"Hur dur good job bro you sure showed those librulz and gayz"?