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Lol, do you think the plane is flying itself? The security of the plane isn't a problem, the problem is the mission of the plane in the first place.

There are a lot of people in OPs image but only 4 are Air Force personnel, see if you can spot them.

What does the percent of people in the picture being in the service have to do with anything......? We're talking about federal military members being ordered by the executive to enforce domestic policy, which is illegal.

Are you purposely being obtuse, or are you really this dumb?

And yes, I can spot the Air Force personnel..... I've spent 18 years living on AFB all over the country and abroad, my dad was a SMSgt.

Who said anything about aircraft security.....?

They are being ordered to enforce domestic policy on us soil, which is exactly what the law is made to prevent.

I think the main problem people are having is that they are being used to enforce domestic policy within the United States, which is not normal at all and is arguably illegal.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.

I mean, they're definitely not a fan of the free market?

Be upset at Trump for assigning shit missions, but it's incredibly ignorant to attack any specific branch of the military for following lawful orders.

They are going above and beyond the assignment of the mission. As I said, the other branches have received similar orders but have made what they are doing public, and have not decided to operate anonymously.

That some Airman should get himself court marshalled for refusing the order to remove his name and unit patch?

Did I criticize the airman? No, I specifically criticized their command.

Could you explain how transporting people to their country of origin is an illegal order?

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) signed on June 18, 1878, by President Rutherford B. Hayes that limits the powers of the federal government in the use of federal military personnel to enforce domestic policies within the United States.

And how often are they operating on American soil.......?

This is VERY COMMON practice for these situations.

No, no it's not. Maybe when operating in dangerous missions while deployed overseas.... While working on American soil? No.

None of the other branches being ordered to do similarly sketchy quasi unconstitutional work have removed their identifiers, none of the other branches have opted to classify the work they are doing.

The Air Force has a pretty well known history of racism, rape, and Christian nationalist in their command structure. Out of all the branches it doesn't surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump's orders.

Being economically leftist doesn't mean you aren't culturally conservative. Births out of wedlock in China and really most of east Asia are exceedingly rare. The household registration system they use to allow families access to things like education and healthcare is tied into marriage certificates.

For the rest though - the rank and file that just repeat the cant they're fed - what do they gain?

I don't think they realize what they're doing. A lot of people haven't ever engaged with rhetoric with any kind of objectivity, so anyone challenging their positions in any given subject is automatically rejecting their entire belief system.

Plus, I think it's good to remember that a lot of people on Lemmy are young, impressionable, and not really engaged with society outside of shitposting online.

am literally saying that 'both sides' is ALWAYS a false equivalence

Saying both sides deserve the same blame for enacting the patriots act isn't a false equivalency. There are plenty of specific instances where both parties have voted in consensus for acts that can be justifiably criticized.

I don't think you know what a straw man argument really is.....

common doesn't justify saying both things are the same

I already said several times that it doesn't apply when in generalizations.... However, that does not mean we should criticize the times when both parties behave in the same way.

The other person claimed there were no specific instances where both sides deserve the same blame.

There is no crazy difference. If water can get to the rocks, so can the dissolved CO2.

Oh, I was just pondering the efficiency. If Co2 is held in suspension and only the top layer of sediment is going to be exposed to the carbon in the water, and not to a degree of co2 more concentrated than normal.

Do you know if Co2 that dissolves into water is less buoyant, or is it held in suspension? Or is this relying on the sediment being suspended in the ocean for a while before being deposited back on the ocean floor?

wall didn't put words into my mouth that directly contradicted the last thing that I said.

What you said was self contradictory....... Wouldn't surprise me if you actually attempted to literally talk to a wall, you both have rocks for brains.

Both sides can have overlap in things they do, but that doesn’t make blaming ‘both sides’ valid.

Your claim was based in cognitive dissonance.... If the thing that they overlap on is deserving of blame then blaming both sides is valid.

How exactly are both sides not responsible for blame for voting to go to war in Afghanistan? How are they both not to blame for passing the Patriot act? They both agreed in complete consensus on both of those acts of Congress....well almost, two Republicans voted against the war in Afghanistan.

Go kick rocks.

Don't bother, this dude is completely unable to understand anything that resembles a nuanced opinion.

Apparently the Democratic party is completely blameless for anything that's ever happened, even when they vote in complete consensus with Republicans.

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

Both sides can have overlap in things they do, but that doesn’t make blaming ‘both sides’ valid.

Lol, if two people agree to do something stupid to an equal degree I can't blame both people? Are you trying to be obtuse, or are you really this stupid?

am literally saying that 'both sides' is ALWAYS a false equivalence.

Then you are either misinformed or blatantly lying?

There are plenty of examples of both parties overwhelmingly agreeing on certain topics. An obvious one is the vote to go to war in Afghanistan, or the Patriot act......

Being ineffective at stopping something isn't the same thing as enabling.

You're claiming that conservatives and Democrats haven't ever agreed upon anything that might be reasonably criticized.......

Again, you're just thinking in absolutes.

And they said we couldn't run a nation solely using the power of massive amounts of cognitive dissonance........