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I mean..... If your only real accomplishment is inheriting huge sums of wealth, it makes a bunch of sense. I personally don't really see the need for Trump to be compromised by Russian intelligence, American oligarchs have always been jealous of the federations kleptocracy.

What could be better for someone like Trump and his cronies than a system where as long as you're loyal you can literally do anything you want?

Have a journalist poking around your business, simply introduce them to the window. A rival business won't sell you their company for nothing? Make a call and have the government do a "corruption investigation". Your company is coming under protest for displacing minority groups....off to jail for subversion.

The Russian Federation is just America in ten years of we don't make a drastic about face. Our oligarchs have been pushing that way for a while, trump is just accelerating the process.

Yep, a lot of people forget that feminism is in fact an important tenet of leftism. Been seeing a lot of male chauvinism across Lemmy on both sides of the political divide, kinda sad really.

population growth (2010-2020) 4th highest province: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_population#/media/File:Annual_population_growth_rate_by_Chinese_province.svg

This is measuring overall population change, not specific to the ethnic group we are talking about. The CCP has been subsidizing Han immigration into the area and displacing the native population.

gdp growth 2024, 2nd highest: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1179690/china-gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-by-region-province/#%3A%7E%3Atext=GDP+growth+in+China+2024%2C+by+region&text=In+2024%2C+the+annual+real%2Cat+5.0+percent+in+2024.

Again, the government has been increasing spending in the region to entice Han citizens to move to the area. This does not say anything about the native population.

"Xinjiang is a vast region with an area of 1.66 million km2. Until the 1950s, Uyghurs were the majority ethnic group in the region, accounting for more than 90 percent of the total population."

"Between the 1940s and the 1980s, attempts to incorporate the region into the modern Chinese national state brought about a 2,500 per cent increase in the Han population. Today, Han and Uyghurs each account for approximately 40 per cent of Xinjiang’s total population of roughly 25.5 million. Clearly, the basic trajectory over the past decades has been one of moving Han rapidly into the region. This is coupled in more recent years with a significant shrinking of the Uyghur population."

"The Han population in the region increased at an average rate of 8.1 per cent yearly, from 5 per cent in 1947 to around 40 per cent in 2000. Officially, Uyghurs comprise about 45 percent of Xinjiang’s permanent population with Han representing approximately 42 percent, and Kazakh, Hui and other ethnicities making up the rest. However, these figures belie the very high number of long-term resident and temporary Han migrant workers as well as thousands of security personnel in Xinjiang. They also obscure data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, showing that between 2017 and 2019 the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China was 10.48 per thousand."

"The capital of the province itself went from being a city in which there were hardly any Han Chinese before 1949 to one in which the Uyghurs have been almost completely displaced. In addition, across Xinjiang, urban redesign projects have demolished hundreds of thousands of homes and resettled millions of Uyghur residents on the pretext of ‘civilization’ (文明) and ‘beautification’ (美化)."

"Since the mid-1990s, the gradual exclusion of Uyghurs from state-based employment – and the rising number of private jobs – is statistically verifiable from a variety of sources. While Han Chinese were able to secure employment, Uyghurs were kept out of construction jobs, road-building projects and oil and gas pipelines. Uyghurs with graduate degrees were only employed at an estimated 15 per cent, and, according to a 2013 study, Uyghurs earned an average of 59 per cent of what their Han counterparts earned."

Source from Minority Rights Group

Your claim of greater context seems to be lacking any kind of context at all. It's pretty clear you have no real knowledge of the history of ethnic conflict in Asia at all, nor do you seem to be able to differentiate between the demographics of a region from the demographics of the ethnic minority in the region.

Like I said, I do admire a lot about China's government and their ability to lift a huge population out of poverty. However, they are currently undergoing a conservative culture revisionism when it comes to things like minority and women's rights. If you want to examine the problem yourself I'd suggest looking at the rapid decline of representation of both women and minorities in both local governments and the politburo compared to even 20 years ago.

Again, I don't think you really know much about the region, or just how pivotal ethnic conflict is to the modern identity of China.

The vast majority of "hormone blockers" are prescribed for non-gender affirming care. It's used across medicine for a plethora of things like moderating growth plate fusion in pediatric orthopedics, or slowing down breast cancer.

This is why it should be illegal for legislators to be involved in any form of medical care, they're just complete illiterate morons on the subject.

secret papers can't be hard proof.

According to.....? If you read the article the leaks were cross referenced and verified using things like time, date, other communications and even individual signatures.

Internal documents are some of the most sought after forms of evidence when examining crimes against humanity. One of the reasons the Holocaust is beyond doubt is because the Nazi had so many "secret" documents.

the risk of whataboutism, you have Israel engaged in genocidal mass murder on video.

Yes, and one of the reasons why is because foreign journalist have access to the region. One wonders why China have levied so many access restrictions to Xinjiang.

Politics of shit talking China is far more important than any objective principle of oppression.

Sounds like a projection to me. I would say you care more about defending any type of criticism more than oppression that is happening.

There is genuine context/exaggeration to all of these points.

Such as?

Demographics and income specifically show Xinxiang doing better than average in China.

Would you care to extrapolate on this, or should I just take your claims as fact?

even the countries that abstained are on their side.

What do you mean by on their side? Are you saying they don't believe human rights violations happened, are you saying they are just politically aligned with China, or that worried about political backlash from China?

What do you consider hard proof?

As I said, most of the information used has been verified by independent reporters or human rights organizations.

If you required the same level of "hard proof" as you are dictating for China then most crimes against humanity never happened.

We have video and pictures of concentration camps, we have verified internal documents, we have demographics released to the public by the offending government, we have personal testimony, we have announcements from the government admitting to moderate the birth limits of an extreme minority in the country...

What else could you possibly want?

The majority of UN countries are on their side, Muslim majority countries included.

And claiming "U.N. body rejects debate on China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims in blow to West" means a majority of countries on their side is just dishonest. China has a massive economy and is able to put political pressure on plenty of nations in the UN.

This would be like saying America has never pressured another nation into voting for something in the UN.

It is absolutely shameful propaganda to the most humanist response to terrorism in history: Education and job creation. Very significant prosperity in region.

America said the same thing when they forced assimilation on the native population after stealing their land.

The political designation of genocide is based on some unwed mothers with 4+ children going to UK to say they were now sterile, FFS.

Or just demographics?

Again, your only defense to actual evidence is just logical fallacy. You aren't making any argument in good faith.

The anti-China hateful have no metrics to stop hating China. Only propaganda amplification.

I actually admire a lot about the Chinese government, they've done wonders in recent decades to undue nearly a hundred years of foreign interference and imperialism. That doesn't mean I'm not going to be critical of the things I don't like about the government.

The simple fact is that they have a fairly well documented history of oppressing non-Han minorities in the country.

It is politicization to be overly critical of China over what is a reasonable solution to peace and prosperity in the region

So..... Forcing an entire ethnic group into concentration camps, forced migration, forced assimilation, and depopulation is reasonable? For what, because there were a couple attacks from some extremists?

while the west contributes to 1000x worse treatment of Palestinians.

I wasn't aware it was a competition? Human rights violations should be criticized no matter who's doing it.

That politicization gap shows that there is zero concern for actual genocide or persecution and instead a desire for (or avoidance for Israel for) political criticism independent of prosperity/facts.

Again..... I'm not the American government. I am very critical of the US governments involvement with many genocides throughout history. I am also very critical of any government who participates in similar human rights violations, because I'm not a massive hypocrite.

There is plenty of evidence widely available from organizations like human rights watch and amnesty international. Claims that deny any evidence exist of the persecution of China's Muslim population rely on logical fallacies to attempt to obscure the validity of the body of evidence. Namely ad hominem attacks against the individual who first gathered the evidence to begin with.

While the researcher obviously has biased opinions about the CCP, that doesn't affect the validity of the evidence gathered, most of which comes directly from publicly available information released by the CCP itself, or from leaked internal communication from party members that have been widely verified by reputable journalists and organizations specializing in human rights violations.

While I personally wouldn't claim that there is a genocide as we traditionally understand it has occurred, it's hard to deny that the Uyghur people aren't being systemically oppressed or that significant human rights violations haven't occurred.

Simply looking at publicly available census data releases by the CCP we can tell that Uyghur people are being driven from culturally important sites that are being replaced by ethnically Han Chinese, and that Uyghur populations have been shrinking at a worryingly abnormal rate.

If we look at recent history of ethnic conflict within China in tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia, I fail to see why it's logical to assume that the accusations of crimes against humanity is pure propaganda.

Han chauvinism is well documented, and even Mao Zedong spoke about how it would negatively affect the future of the party. Ethnic conflict/cleansing has been a constant in the region and is part of the foundational history of modern China.

think he's accelerating the decline of the US empire. And I think a new multipolar world with China taking on a leading role will emerge shortly. Within a few years at latest.

Thinking of geopolitics as a polarity is a way to make a complex subject more digestible, however when it's examined against actual history its highly reductive.

Even when the world was less complicated and communist nations weren't a hodgepodge of mixed markets, nothing was delineated so cleanly into something as simple as multipolarism.

Democratic capitalist nations still overthrew emerging capitalist democracies, communist nations still went to war with other communist nations. I think it's a bit optimistic to believe that political and economic instability inexplicably births unity.

Tbh, I've been pondering just how regulated organized market manipulation is nowadays. With the market going through "corrections" because of tariffs and the FCC being completely defanged, a large group of organized retail investors have the opportunity to get up to some pretty funny business.

When my dad was stationed in South Carolina the town we lived in for a while had one of these. Shout out to Lugoff-Elgin, Home of the Catfish Stomp.

I'm sure there will be some takers, but to be honest their real bread and butter is mostly petroleum products which directly compete with American petroleum companies. Sanctions against a competitor are vastly more valuable than the oil itself to American petroleum corporations.

As far as other minerals go, they are valuable..... But most of them are going right to the production market in China.

It really doesn't behoove corporate America to partner with Russian interests, which is kinda surprising why we haven't really seen a lot of backlash yet. I'm guessing they're keeping their heads down for now and seeing if the tax cuts are worth all the hassle.

I'm sure that there will be some capital holders who are willing to invest in Russia, however I don't really think a lot of the big players will be rushing back to Russia.

A large reason Russia has had such an about face since the early 00's is because a huge amount of western capital pulled out of Moscow after they invaded Georgia in 08. Since then Putin has had to double down in his overtly aggressive pillaging from Russia's neighbors to maintain his hierarchy of control over the oligarchs in Russia.

The invasion of Ukraine is largely a part of a sunk cost fallacy of his blunder in 08. I don't think he realized how skittish his power plays made foreign investors, nor did he predict the following sanctions that followed in his attempts to recover his power over the oligarchs.

you have dig deeper into local affiliated reps, not the national reps

The problem with that is that the national party is the one who funds/endorses a lot of the campaigns for local elections, especially in battleground districts. In a lot of cases the local DNC chapters are even more entrenched in centre-right/Third-way politics than the national leadership.

That's how you get something like New York City who votes overwhelmingly DNC get Mayor like Eric Adams. Oftentimes it's even easier for local institutions to be captured by organizations with capital.

The problem with the DNCs version of being the "worker's party" is that the left leaning policies they do pass tend to be things that feel intangible to most workers. They pass infrastructure bills that in theory create jobs, but in reality usually take way too long to actually implement and are killed or watered down by the opposition. Even before they are watered down, they tend to largely be hand outs to large corporations who capitalize the lions share of the funding before anything trickles down to actual workers.

Workers want to see a political party that aren't afraid of taking direct action, they want to see tangible benefits.

Nah, if they really wanted that we'd already be in a recession. Maybe if the tariffs actually start impacting the economy to the point where there's an actual market collapse, then we might see some people hitting the streets.

In reality, the capital holders won't allow the media to rile up Americans too much until the billionaires start getting hit in the wallets. Until then we still have our bread and circuses.

Too edgy 4me man.