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This has got to be some kind of hasbara tactic or something. Otherwise I just can’t understand how on a post reporting about civilians in Gaza being bombed, you would start rambling about a completely unrelated topic and then somehow link Palestinians to it.

So now the Zionist spam brigades have started infesting Lemmy as well judging from some of the comments here. Very sad to see that. Last time I checked on Reddit it was already unbearable there.

This is really bad news, and by no means do I support Iran. But the attack on Irans embassy should have caused sanctions and condemnations. Instead Biden rushed to defend Israel as if Israel wouldn’t have started this.

I can’t believe what a fucking tragedy this is. With the US elections upcoming, Biden being prepared to die on this hill is what may actually cause that Trump wins and the US turns into full on fascism. Needless to say Trump won’t do jackshit for Palestinians either.

I saw another report that covered this and it didn’t seem like they had a lot of choice, even though in this article paints a different picture.

Nice try but nobody is buying it.

Now we’re getting to the actual issue: You talk about this conflict as if it were some kind of external event like the eruption of a volcano. It’s not disastrous fighting, it’s an ongoing effort to colonize the Palestinians‘ land and eradicate the Palestinian people as a whole, while also appropriating their culture & heritage to give the impression that this whole colonial project is much older than 1948.

That’s my issue with what you’re saying. Being respectful is imperial in discussions, but it’s counterproductive to be charitable towards people who are willfully ignorant about the power dynamics and the roots of this conflict (again, colonialism, nakba).

If we want to talk about actual peace and actually moving on, the discussion has to start there and not with choosing team Israel or team Palestine as if this were a football match.

But I’m actually responding to what you were saying. I just don’t accept the notion that this whole thing began on October 7. It‘s just another stage of escalation and e.g. violent settler activities, killings and detentions have also skyrocketed in the occupied West Bank where Hamas is largely absent.

I was specifically also responding to the part where you are kind of saying that everyone is okay criticizing „the great oppressor, Israel“ but not Hamas. This whole „the great oppressor“ rhetoric somehow implies that the oppression is actually not so bad, even though you specifically mention the IDF and the occupation. The oppression and genocide has been ongoing even before there was any IDF, let alone Hamas. And in that sense, Israel now seeking to annihilate Palestinians even more aggressively is a product of this decades ongoing radicalization process.

We can then go on how this is supported by Western countries. All of this is rooted in the Nakba that Israel and the west still do not want to take responsibility for. So ending the occupation isn’t enough. Palestinians need to be compensated for the effects of the Nakba if that’s even remotely possible. So what I’m saying is, October 7 is just a continuation of the ignorance towards Palestinian interests and demands for sovereignty.

But the main reasons why I disagreed with your comment are this and the initial comment that you seem to be defending. Condemning Hamas is easy, let me do that right now, they suck, but that’s not a reason to be okay with the top level comment.

History didn’t start on October 7, the genocide on the Palestinian people has been ongoing for 76 years now. The Hamas attack is a symptom of the effects that colonization, military occupation, apartheid, among others cause. To keep things In perspective, namely there being an oppressor and an oppressed people is not equal to being charitable towards Hamas.

The only way towards freedom of Palestinian people is freedom of any movement that is powered by any imperial force, be that the USA or Russia or China or even regionally Saudi Arabia or Iran (to which I count Hamas).

I don’t think people here are particularly favorable towards Hamas, but it has to be pointed out again and again that the Nakba caused by the Zionists is indeed the source of this conflict, and not any reactionary movement, however shitty they may be.

Actually not unlikely that they’ll try identifying the people given that German institutions are infiltrated by literal Nazis. Actually, they have never have been properly removed in the first place.

Needless to say being a nazi is something that renders you constitutionally unsuitable to serve, not being against a genocide.

In theory that’s true but you’ll get liquidated at some point.