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Current New York Post headline: Former appointee of Tim Walz sought in ‘politically motivated assassination’ of lawmaker and husband

I agree with outrage. I don’t agree with violence as a reaction though.

Who called for violence as a reaction? Anyways, it doesn't seem like this guy is likely to come quietly when the cops find him, so I do have to wonder what you think the cops should do if he is armed and refuses to negotiate or surrender? Some level of violence may just end up being the correct reaction. We shall see.

Be sure let us know how your FBI interview goes after they read this thread.

Uh, OK. I'll stay by the phone.

I never said it was a both sides problem

I can do that to. I never said that you said it was a both sides problem. You just presented it that way and made no effort to avoid that interpretation.

republicans are hoping for a violent uprising. Because they outnumber you and are trained better than you.

They outnumber me personally? Sure, I'm just one guy. Outnumber the left? LOL, not a chance. Better trained? I kinda doubt it. They might be better at some things, but those chuds can't plan their way out of a wet paper bag.

If people couldn't even be bothered enough to do something easy like rise up and vote

Gosh, I wonder why that is. Just imagine what would be coming from the right of it were two Republican Senators. Whatever you are imagining, I'm pretty sure you know it would be passionate. Meanwhile Democrats are giving the same old bloodless speeches that sound like they were worked on by a dozen consultants before being handed to a talking head with instructions to "add pause and a couple of tears here". Then they hand it off to a newscaster who laments about how "polarized" politics has become. Democrats have no passion, and that is why they lose.

"Now, I know they are killing us now, but we really should stop to consider if leftists might be a little violent too". Yep, that's exactly why Democrats consistently fail to inspire anyone.

you think they are suddenly gonna join in on a violent mob uprising against the government?

Um, no? Why on earth would you assume I think that?

This violence is the answer mindset is exactly what this shooter had.

Oh, you've met him? When did I say violence is the answer?

The comment in question pulled a "both sides" on an issue that is beyond overwhelmingly coming from the right side of the spectrum.

Two Democratic state Senators were just brutally attacked, and at least one killed. That's not the time for Democrats to introspect, it's a time to be outraged.

Drawing some kind of similarity between internet commenters wishing a conservative assassin had succeeded in killing Trump, and a (almost certainly) right wing chud actually assassinating two Democratic Senators is bullshit. Political violence in this country comes almost entirely one direction. Pretending otherwise just blunts that reality and makes future attacks all the more likely.

Just to refresh memories, the assassination attempts on Trump were done by people with right wing backgrounds.

I just got back from a peaceful "No Kings" protest in Illinois, and aright wing chud waving a Trump flag swerved his oversized SUV right onto the shoulder in front of some protesters. This is not a both sides problem.

Exactly. There is no such thing as a labor shortage, only activities that people don't think are worth the cost.

if we currently had stricter gun control

The original comment I responded to was "let's not act like a gun control zealot is what the US "left" needs right now". Right now, we don't have those stricter gun control laws, so your theoretical universe with the slippery slope is irrelevant. This is a race for NY Mayor, and Mamdani is exactly what we need right now.

Gun control isn't disarming everyone.

Hogg and others should form a shadow DNC (DSC?) as an organization with the goal of primarying weak Democrats. I've been done donating to the DNC for years, but I'd jump right on board with the DSC.

Let me try to explain something to you. "Large" is not a fixed concept, it's a relative measure. Can you point to me where any bill or proposal for increasing the minimum wage has proposed doing it overnight? They always get phased in, even in the most progressive proposals. When you say "large", or even "large sweeping", no body is going to presume that you are jumping to something that far out of scope.

You have been trying to "replace" them for decades. How is that working out for you?

You too have been trying to "replace" them for decades. How is that working out for you? We've gotten a few elected and pushed a few more in that direction. Where is your progress? You don't get to start the clock over every election and pretend that your approach hasn't been tried.

There is no coming over to the progressive side, because the progressive side doesn't exist in that party.

I'm talking about voters, and I think that was pretty clear. If all you do in alienate voters, then your movement is nothing but performative.

And, where in the thread again was an instantaneous $5.00 raise to the minimum wage mentioned? Alluded to? Implied?

You are absolutely right, I'm not following the thread. I'm following the discussion, but the thread is a figment of your imagination, and I don't know how to do that.

The Democrats could have run a far better campaign against Trump than they did. Trump was not a better choice, but he did run a better campaign.

If you want people to "wake the fuck up" then you need Democratic leadership that isn't intent on putting them to sleep. The establishment doesn't like it's citizens awake.

Hmmm, "There is nothing else". I'm rolling that around in my head and I just can't figure out how that doesn't imply that Democrats ran the best campaign they could.

It's just reality that people need more than competent administrators. They need inspiration and they need leaders. Republicans inspire hate and lead people to ignorance. Democrats inspire nobody and lead them nowhere. Then Democrats whine that they can't win because people are ignorant and hateful.

You cannot win elections by just being a more competent manager. Most voters aren't competent enough to even recognize it. That's how voters have always been. It's nothing new.

Your plan is the same plan the establishment uses in every single election. It's the definition of insanity.

Yes, Democrats suck. That's why we need to work to replace them. Your third party vote does fuck all to achieve that end. It ain't happening. All your edge lord bullshit does nothing but alienate the very Democratic voters we need to come over to the progressive side.

It's absolutely bullshit. Most of what progressives want is stuff we had 50 years ago. The boldest new proposal is Medicare for All. Somehow every single other developed economy in the world can achieve universal healthcare, but the richest country in the world can't manage it? BULLSHIT! While you wrong your hands people are dying and lives are being ruined every single day. It's profane, and it's pathetic. Yes, we can do a hell of a lot better.

The Democrats lost ground with every demographic but college educated women. 2020 was an unusually high turnout election. 2024 was a regression to the mean, yet Trump's vote total went up.

Blaming the voters is just electoral masturbation. It doesn't lead anywhere. Do you have a plan to get better voters in 2028? Blaming voters is for politicians that don't care about winning. In other words, it's for establishment Democrats.