Thief_of_Crows @ Thief_of_Crows @lemmy.ml

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No, I said all TRUE leftists. No true leftist would vote for a genocider, and that's not debatable. I think Lenin actually said as much in his book on imperialism, where he outlines how capital is going to react to WW2 40 years ahead of time (he explains that they will flock to the fascists due to their shared interests)

You're clearly just a typical lib that doesn't understand politics. Read some news that isn't fake or STFU.

No wait, you have to call me a Russian troll first, or else you haven't finished deflecting an argument you've already lost. Do you even know the first thing about being a lib online?

Okay genocider.

I don't spread disinformation, I spread information. It just tends to be information that conflicts with the official US propaganda, given how much the US media lies. Who is benefitting from the truth being spread should be completely irrelevant, we spread it because it's true, not because it makes us look good. If y'all want me to spread more favorable information to America, maybe America should start making the truth be more favorable to them.

American liberals call me a Russian agent purely because I spread the truth, and they don't like the truths I speak. Let that sink in. I'm telling y'all the emperor has no clothes, and y'all call me an agent of the emperor's enemies.

For instance, you ever heard of unit 731 in Japan? Atrocities on par with the Holocaust done to unsuspecting Chinese civilians, and America gave the perpetrators immunity in their version of Nuremberg in order to obtain their biochem research and keep it out of the soviet's hands.

Is this Russian disinformation? I mean it sure makes America look bad, so it must be, right? But it's also literally true.

Something tells me that Israel isn't going to start "leading with the facts" now, out of the blue. The facts do not make them look good at all. Any reporter who uses that line should be dismissed as fake news. Are we allowed to sue newspapers for lying?

Okay, so nominate a guy who isn't genocidal. Leftists arent going to vote for a genocider, so give us somebody we can vote for. If I knew for a fact Trump would overturn roe v wade, and also attempt another coup, id still vote for him, because he didn't do a genocide. Like I've said, I'll take J6 part 2 over trail of tears part 2 every time.

We are NOT asking that much. Literally all we want is a guy who hasn't already committed a genocide. If y'all can't give that to us, it is not OUR fault when roe v wade gets overturned, it's yours. You didn't give us a choice in the matter. Waving off genocide warning signs is exactly how Germany got Hitler, and if the American voter does NOTHING else, the least we can possibly do for the world is not have a second Holocaust.

I don't care how it happens, but I think I speak for all true leftists when I say we will never vote for a genocider, period. I agree with you that trump is awful, but the Democrats have made him the only valid choice, and so I will be voting for the only candidate that good people are allowed to vote for. If Dems actually want to defeat Trump, they'll put up someone else. Personally I don't actually think they give a shit, cause the spice must flow.

I'm not even saying they have to oppose the genocide. Just stop funding it. Stop making me directly complicit.

We all said never again, and some of us meant it.

If every liberal on the internet calls me a Russian agent when I am not, you think that speaks poorly of me, and not the liberal ideology as a whole? Interesting. Like, when I get that comment, I immediately dismiss the speaker as unintelligent and incurious, because they instantly jump to trying to put me in a box they can ignore, rather than interrogate their own beliefs. Correct beliefs do not need to be shielded from interrogation, they will actually be strengthened by interrogation. In my ideal world, every single person fully understands socialism, because then most people would agree with it and make it happen.

Calling me a Russian agent is very much shielding oneself from my beliefs. If people actually believed that I was a Russian agent, they'd have to believe that all leftists are. But they don't actually believe that, liberals just need to dismiss all leftists as being right wing trolls, because otherwise we would challenge their ideology too drastically for them to keep holding onto it. And there's nothing liberals cling to more desperately than the status quo being acceptable, because liberals fundamentally do not want to change the status quo. So as a result, every single leftist must be dismissed as an individual bad actor, totally disconnected from a larger ideology beyond their desire to destroy democracy.

I understand why y'all do it, but I beg of you, please stop doing it and simply interrogate your own beliefs instead.

What is a lawyer supposed to do if the client lies under oath? Surely A/C priveledge prevents the lawyer from testifying himself that they're lying.

If it's a murder case, you should tell your attorney if you're guilty, right? But then you can still plead not guilty, and your attorney can't rat you out. So how is this different?

Well yeah, they target Hamas, and all the journalists are Hamas. Totally different.

Okay but we all know we can't believe anything trump says, especially anything he only says once. He didn't even build the wall last time, and he said that thousands of times. What he did do is get us out of Afghanistan. So yes, he MIGHT keep doing the genocide, but Biden definitely will. Trump is the only president in 50 years (maybe 100 or 150?) to not start a new war. So if we're going off what he each man actually DID, trump is the obvious choice, because he didn't do a genocide and did end a war.

Bro I'm a leftist and I'm voting for Trump this time. If you want to win, don't run a genocider. Myself and other leftists have a few very hard and fast rules, and genocide is one of them. Id rather have J6 #2 than trail of tears #2

Very clever, nobody ever called me a Russian bot before.

Compare his speaking now to the 2020 debates. Very clearly worse, this isn't the same thing.

Nvm, I guess they're fifth cousins, wild. I meant teddy Roosevelt.

Though Eleanor was Teddy's niece. So apparently the first lady was more closely related than the president, lol

Nobody wants to see 2 old men ramble incoherently at each other. Right now trump is the more cognitively capable of the 2, unfortunately. Though it's certainly close.

I recently saw a poll of current 18 year olds that showed the women are very democrat leaning, while the men are very right leaning, though not as extreme as the female lean was. Young people are leaning left more than ever, but primarily due to the women

Just because west isn't polling there now doesn't mean he couldn't be. Trump is unpopular enough that literally any random person on the internet could beat him if they were made the dem nominee. If Dems want to win this election, they have to cut Biden out. He's going to lose, because of the genocide. I don't doubt that Shapiro could also win, as long as the DNC gets behind him.

Same idea as Chelsea Clinton speaking at 2016 DNC. Not to mention the 3 prior times a presidents son has been elected president...

Edit: One, the second Harrison, was actually the presidents grandson, not son. Also FDR was a presidents brother.

Well also because it's never been independently verified, and the main guy pushing it, Adrian zenz, is a far right con artist.

Explain why you would have voted against the fascist genocider, even though you are currently pushing a fascist genocider. Cause let's be clear: there is nothing more fascist than literally committing a genocide. All your claims of trump being a fascist are irrelevant when the other guy is literally already being a fascist.