ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them] @ ThereRisesARedStar @hexbear.net

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Stuka username claiming others aren't concerned about Ukrainians lmao

Remind me what the nazis did in Ukraine again?

Yes, the US which is the largest drone striker in the world and where it is explicitly legal for the president to kill US citizens without trial went in with a moral imperative because of air strikes.

Even if the Spanish sabotaged the USS Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin wasn't made up, and WMD were in Iraq, the cassi belle are not the structural reasons why the invasions happened. You're being intentionally credulous because you think US empire benefits you. It doesn't.

Is double genocide theory in the room with us now?

Yes, you repeatedly are equating communists with fascists which is the main rhetoric it uses to advance holocaust trivialization, you ass.

How does it justify the defense of ethnic cleansing you've engaged in this conversation?

Didn't you just accuse me of gaslighting?

Lmao.

repackaged Russian fascist propaganda I see coming daily from the tankie community?

You need to open a history book specialized in how fascist systems exist and operate. Russia is literally just a belligerent bourgeois democracy. Putin is beholden to the oligarchs, a word for capitalists with an orientalist connotation. There is not the transition from primarily extracting increases of productivity from abstract surplus labor value to concrete labor value which marks fascism economically.

What "tankie community" lol? There isn't a unified one. Do you mean us, who generally oppose the war and want a negotiated peace so Ukraine stops losing the war so expensively (in blood of conscripts)?

Do you mean the german ones thrown in the camps or the soviet leadership who were the last of the eventual allied powers to do any sort of appeasement with Hitler (after exhausting all attempts to form an alliance with Britain and France) because communism is less aligned with fascist goals than liberalism is aligned with fascist goals, massive underexageration mine? Do you mean the communist low level officials who helped in a massive ethnic relocation program to move vulnerable minorities out of the way of the eventual german invasion? Or do you mean the population of the only communist nation which lost 26 million people, around 1/6th of their population, stopping the holocaust?

Or were you referring to the joke about racism? If so, you gotta look up how the population of the USSR was not considered white at the time. Emma Goldman for example basically called Stalin a slanty eyed conniving Asian, for example. Nowadays slavs are still called orcs and shit by westerners.

I am not lying about your words. I am telling you that equating communists and fascists (which you have repeatedly done) is incorrect, and holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream liberal historians, which you could literally look up right now instead of continuing to show your own ass and be incredibly offensive to a communist organizer who lost family to the fucking holocaust.

Gaddafi had his problems but sol massively improved under him. Given we back plenty of much worse dictatorships, it wasn't done for altruistic reasons. It was done because he was giving a cut of the wealth to the masses instead of to neocolonial powers. Incidentally, improving sol and education like Gaddafi was doing tend to trend to democratic transitions over time.

The open air slave markets were a direct result of the intervention. The US backed regime didn't have a democratic mandate and didn't have Gaddafi's entrenched power structures and collapsed.

I literally lost ancestors to the holocaust. Stop carrying water for fascists by equating the people who ended the holocaust to them. You're doing work to trivialize the holocaust, according to literally every prominent Jewish historian who studied the holocaust and has spoken about double genocide theory. This is literally a mainstream position outside of communist circles.

Either learn to prioritize not giving the nazis ammo over your desire to be a mini-mcCarthy or learn what the actual differences between communism and fascism are instead of relying on propaganda that benefits the nazis.

Defederate. Y'all racist as fuck.

Libya ended in open air slave markets lmao, and you're citing western sources saying "well they aaked for it

Honestly, why not just peg the value of 100 of a a currency to the energy used to create a loaf of bread? Then bread will always cost close to 100 and other products will be priced according to energy and not speculation.

Markets aren't that efficient compared to planning. There is a reason why firms nowadays work off of a bastardized descendent of Cybersyn.

but you're asking to replace the entire capitalist economy so I can only hope you understand a revolution doesn't come without risk and has never truly succeeded yet for anyone ever.

Tell that to Cubans, who had a longer life expectancy than people than the US even with the blockade before Trump intensified the blockade.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Worker control of production, or production according to need?

These end up being the same thing, that is sort of the point of capitalism going away. The profit motive is disconnected from human utility.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

You literally called some communists fascists. You're equating them with people who did the holocaust. Which is problematic.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

You're literally just carrying water for fascists, according to Jewish experts on the holocaust.

https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

Which successful communists aren't you insulting by comparing to fascists, which again, carries water for fascists

Oh, which successful communists are you talking about?

Also, double genocide theory being holocaust trivialization still applies as it refers to calling the USSR fascist, if you think it is an irrelevant insuniation take it up with the Jewish holocaust scholars.

OP determining whether to believe the US about socialist movements

Also look up double genocide theory and stop trivializing the holocaust by calling communists fascists.

Sorry. The prime Minister was the nazi, I forget that ukraine has both.

But generally yes the people that nuland and pyatt installed ruined contrary to ukrainian interests. Neutrality was how they avoided war. Things leaned too far to Russia, that caused a coup that led to an anti-russia government which led to the war.