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"Rules-based international order" moment

Netanyahu isn't a dictator any more than any other Western bourgeois democratic leader. The genocide he and those around them carry out is very popular in Israel. It is a deeply racist society premised on the hatred and subjugation od the Palestinians from whom they steal land and resources and life.

And who is going to undo any of that first?

The key is to look beyond myopic electoralism as the only way a party can express power and organize. Organize with direct action, organize labor, and teach socialism.

Just different wings of the same fundamental team.

Students on a liberal arts college campus in a blue state under a blue president.

Basic self-consistency, particularly in Anglo countries. The culture seems to teach that it would be better to die than to recognize one's own irrationality, correct it, and move on.

Obama's EOs were a slow walk bureaucratic attempt, basically how you try to avoid actually doing something by making it easy to stymy. Same as Biden's broken promise on cancelling student debt. One stymied by the obvious avenues to do so, they can just sit back and let partisans repeat the excuses. They did not make real attempts to force the issue.

Here's a liberal-friendly summary that largely just repeats the words of federal and party bureaucrats: https://web.archive.org/web/20240902004637/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/01/why-obama-has-failed-to-close-guantanamo

Obama could have used executive action to shut it down anyways, diverting resources and personnel to pack up and get out.

He just accepted the excuse so he could keep doing what he wanted to: funneling money from the working class to finance.

Yes, I know what I said. I don't conflate a mention of individual liberty tp be the same as discussing individualism itself.

So do you have any point to make? Any response to the bulk of what I said?

Tariffs amount to a higher inflation rate / a regressive tax, as they will not subsidize local industry to any significant level. You will not see wage increases or more jobs from it. Probably the opposite.

This will be a quantitative change, it will look like 2022-2024 but with a higher effective inflation rate, translating into a transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich.

More people will experience what it's like to earn 10-20% less money and have fewer job prospects. One would hope that this teaches humility and solidarity, but in a country that only knows how to punch left, that will be an uphill battle that must nevertheless be fought.

COP is a greenwashing conference for the imperial core countries to make false promises and try to rationalize how their plans to do everything in exactly the same way but with more funding for NGOs will solve the problem.

Capitalism itself is incompatible with addressing climate change and therefore so is "reform" within it. It does not factor human well-being into its equations, let alone caring for the wider climate over decades, and climate change is caused by industry, transportation, and war, all of which it will relentlessly maximize in pursuit of profit. It also controls the state. Attempts at direct action and the use of "civil society" result in the criminalization of the former and the cooption of the latter. COP is an example of the latter, it's where the NGOs line up for a crack at false catharsis for a few million in funding.

To fight climate change, we must band together, educate each other, and stay disciplined in our fight against the real engine of climate change, capitalism.

I didn't speak about individualism at all, actually.

It's not clear to me what your point is. Did you read my longer response to you? Do you have anything to say about it?

I am correcting your false claims and am getting amused by the fact that you abandoned any pretense of reading or responding to explanations in the previous thread, even making excuses for not having the time to do so, even though now that you clearly do have time you are using it to instead double down on your misconceptions while still lashing out at "the tankies" (me).

You lobbed insults and denigration and now plead victimhood when receiving mild criticism of your claims and behavior.

It is very funny that they're back here complaining about "the tankies" and rehashing the same talking points they couldn't defend a few days ago. It's like they are trying to embody the stereotype of the "Western leftist".

There is ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang in which China has piggy-backed on the US "war on terror" as an excuse to repress muslim population.

There is not. There are no hallmarks of an ethnic cleansing nor evidence for one. The think tank propagandists behind these claims - they are all in the same funding networks connected to the NED/USAID - spent ages just trying to shoehorn what was actually happening into a wishy washy definition of "cultural genocide", which is to say, there is no mass death, no mass expulsions, no attempt to eradicate the population in any way.

Re: "cultural genocide", even with a wishy washy definition, that is also specious, as Uyghur culture has not been disrupted or banned. The exact opposite is the case, it is lifted up culturally, promoted materially. What is oppressed is anything in the neighborhood of salafism, which has never been part of Uyghur culture, but in their infinite (islamophobic) wisdom, the western pro-think tank critics have conflated it with Uyghur culture simply because they are largely muslims.

And you have, yet again, uncritically accepted the liberal propaganda narrative against the designated enemies of the US state. Are you noticing the pattern? It seems you are more interested in living in a fantastical liberal bubble than ever acknowledging that "the tankies" actually can defend their ideas while you cannot.

This is officially called "Strike Hard Campaign against Violent Terrorism". Do I really need to say more?

Yes, you do. You can of course understand almost nothing about this from that title. I would challenge you to tell me what you think it means and what is going on in your thought process.

Taiwan has its own democracy and wants to be independent, yet China claims it as its own.

A few days ago I broke this down for you and you ignored it entirely. If you deigned to read what others told you, you might understand the basics of the detente with Taiwan.

Yes there's asterisks and details and questionable involvement from the West in all of this, but these aren't "myths".

The content of both claims are, in fact, mythological. In the first case it is very literally the propaganda outfits of CIA cutouts and the promotion of some expat grifters working together in an absurdly lazy information war. In the latter case it is a false pretense of having no idea or way of knowing what the tension is over Taiwan and opting to present it in an intentionally vague way to put it in a worse light while also using a liberal framing re: praising it as democratoc, whereas any anarchist will not uncritically celebrate bourgeois electoralism, and certainly not in defense of an ethnocentric state. Taiwan did actually do an ethnic cleansing, which is ironic for your case.

Sinologists from various countries have stated that they or their colleagues have been barred from entry or held by authorities for weeks because of what they've said about China. For example I just heard Weigelin-Schwiedrzik say this on a marxist podcast.

Literally who cares.

The only burden I've ever placed on you is to be self-consistent and not use homophobic insults.

And I don't need your support for China. You are largely indistinguishable from other liberals that think they are anarchist for some unclear reason, having done no work to shed the liberal propaganda against the US state's designated enemies. And now that you are over here having clearly done no reflection or self-criticism regarding your misconceptions and bad faith behavior, why do you think anyone should spend time trying to educate you?

Least genocidal liberal

lol you're still at this after abandoning this thread? The one where you jumped in, whinged about "tankies", and then ignored nearly everything that I said to you while apologizing for not having the time to respond?

Why are you now here and still whinging rather than back at that thread actually engaging? Why are you doubling down on this nonsense when you couldn't defend it directly against your targets of insult?

Remember when you resorted to the homophobic remarks I predicted?

I actually have no given a definition of liberalism outside of the core I did originally. I have only listed a few self-claimed qualities and their inconsistency.

I also gave a rationale for why I went in this direction. Notice the complete lack of engagement with it.

So that's a no lol