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I'm not accusing you of that (in fact I literally said that you understand its not that), but I'm guess you're ignorant of how that is how it is taught in the British curriculum. The motif you're talking about Alan Moore using - the Gunpowder plot and therefore Guy Fawkes wanting to replace the noble British monarchy with a foreign theocracy - relies entirely on that context. British history is carefully curated with "that was a foreign plot and the British nation bravely survived it" vs "a foreign ally saved and restored our glorious nation". For many, the presence of Catholicism is one of the primary deciding factors in that.

Are you usually this unable to take criticism without insulting people? (Yes, daily)

I'm not ignorant of history. I'm on paper still a Catholic, since the Irish church decided to stop taking excommunication requests in 2005. Thanks for the Wikipedia article though.

Yes, very clever, the area the pope literally was sovereign of was under his control. I'm sure a clever guy like you understands the difference between that and the idea that literally any Catholic is 100% subservient to the Pope at all times regardless of their own rank and power, which is the sort of nonsense you're usually railing against when it's your flavour of old-timey god-stuff.

Tip though, and a bit of genuine sympathy here, when the UK continues down it's path of right-wing bigotry and you feel your family isnt safe again, you are now in a Common Travel Area with a far more welcoming "Catholic" nation. Feel free to walk across the border unchecked and I promise I won't you rat you out for describing a basic awareness of England's anti-Catholic biases as a "need to be a victim".

I take more than a minute on my replies Autocorrect Disaster. You asked for information and I treat your request as genuine because it just leads to more hilarity like you describing a model as "code".

I ignored the bit you edited in after I replied? And you're complaining about ignoring questions in general? Do you disagree with the OSI definition Yogsy? You feel ready for that question yet?

What on earth do you even mean "take a model and train it on thos open crawl to get a fully open model"? This sentence doesn't even make sense. Never mind that that's not how training a model works - let's pretend it is. You understand that adding open source data to closed source data wouldn't make the closed source data less closed source, right?.. Right?

Thank fuck you're not paid real money for this Yiggly because they'd be looking for their dollars back

The most recent crawl is from December 15th

https://commoncrawl.org/blog/december-2024-crawl-archive-now-available

You don't know, and can't know, when DeepSeeker's dataset is from. Thanks for proving my point.

Since you're definitely asking this in good faith and not just downvoting and making nonsense sealion requests in an attempt to make me shut up, sure! Here's three.

https://commoncrawl.org/

https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data

https://huggingface.co/datasets/legacy-datasets/wikipedia/tree/main/

Oh, and it's not me demanding. It's the OSI defining what an open source AI model is. I'm sure once you've asked all your questions you'll circle back around to whether you disagree with their definition or not.

That's the "prover" dataset, ie the evaluation dataset mentioned in the articles I linked you to. It's for checking the output, it is not the training output.

It's also 20mb, which is miniscule not just for a training dataset but even as what you seem to think is a "huge data file" in general.

You really need to stop digging and admit this is one more thing you have surface-level understanding of.

The Pope, who would ultimately have controlled the UK

There's the anti-Catholic education paying off. Which countries did the pope control again? Why would the UK have been different from Spain, France or Italy? Why does being crowned by a pope or an archbishop differ? How, with apparent seriousness, are you defining the man who said this in parliament as a "secular head of state":

The state of monarchy is the supremest thing upon earth, for kings are not only God's lieutenants upon earth and sit upon God's throne, but even by God himself, they are called gods. There be three principal [comparisons] that illustrate the state of monarchy: one taken out of the word of God, and the two other out of the grounds of policy and philosophy. In the Scriptures, kings are called gods, and so their power after a certain relation compared to the Divine power.

Even today British monarchs are ordained as kings with holy oil. It is not a secular position.

Mind-boggling that even young children don't see through this blatant myth-building for what it is. The same scaremongering is used even today by regressive Orangemen about papish plots.

The data part. ie the very first part of the OSI's definition.

It's not available from their articles https://arxiv.org/html/2501.12948v1 https://arxiv.org/html/2401.02954v1

Nor on their github https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-LLM

Note that the OSI only ask for transparency of what the dataset was - a name and the fee paid will do - not that full access to it to be free and Free.

It's worth mentioning too that they've used the MIT license for the "code" included with the model (a few YAML files to feed it to software) but they have created their own unrecognised non-free license for the model itself. Why they having this misleading label on their github page would only be speculation.

Without making the dataset available then nobody can accurately recreate, modify or learn from the model they've released. This is the only sane definition of open source available for an LLM model since it is not in itself code with a "source".

All that is true of Meta's products too. It doesn't make them open source.

Do you disagree with the OSI?

trying to turn England into a theocracy.

Oh! You come with the anti-Catholicism baked in. The Brits will love you.

Fascinated by the continued adherence to the idea that overthrowing a monarch who is simultaneously the head of the national church is a movement toward theocracy.

I don't think you or that Medium writer understand what "open source" means. Being able to run a local stripped down version for free puts it on par with Llama, a Meta product. Privacy-first indeed. Unless you can train your own from scratch, it's not open source.

Here's the OSI's helpful definition for your reference https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition

Donation by definition doesn't exchange value?

Reaction images are leftism now?

K

I don't care about tankies. I care about the fucking image reactions that make using this website intolerable

I know. Cancer spreads.

A terrible joke made racist by insisting it be made Irish (you left an extra space afer Dublin while copy-pasting on your phone) while completely fucking up any semblance of setting it in Ireland ("John Bradford", "Dublin University", hitchhiking in general)

Yea this is what happens when you tolerate hexbear

But nobody clapped and no atheist tried to abort him and the holy spirit did not enter her at her weakest moment