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In the West Bank, with no Hamas presence, Israeli settlers backed by the IDF come kill them and take their homes. The Israeli leadership doesn’t want a two state solution because extreme Zionists are in power.

You’re my hero

I’m asking for a real answer not myopic snark. I didn’t ask what you wouldn’t do, I asked what you WOULD do. The irony of you accusing that other person of being disingenuous when that’s your entire perspective. Pathetically transparent.

Israel isn’t an earthquake or a volcano. They are a government run by humans. Unlike a natural disaster, they can dial down the brutality anytime they want. Like the other commenter said, your analogy is so fundamentally flawed it’s amazing you’re defending it with such unearned confidence.

How about instead of a volcano it’s a ship of Europeans trying to enslave your people and take your land? You probably don’t like that because it doesn’t let you absolve the Israeli government of responsibility for their own human decisions.

I’m sure that’ll be really comforting to a child whose family got shot by settlers in the West Bank.

The lack of humanity in Republican politicians is so frustrating.

Still haven’t told me what you’d do. Answer the question directly instead of deflecting. Imagine your family has been run off their ancestral home and your father was shot in the head by Israeli settlers. Imagine then the IDF backing these settlers up, giving them government approval. Now be honest and ask yourself if it would be easy to remain reasonable and understanding of the opposition at this point.

The way they express this idea is violent and unacceptable but the sentiment didn’t appear in a vacuum. The circumstances that breed this have been very deliberately placed upon Palestinians by extreme Zionists in the Israeli government.

They “had to go somewhere” is only true if you decide Europe can’t fix its own antisemitism.

Regardless, they didn’t have to displace people from their homes. The US, especially in the 40s, has tons of space for new communities to form.

There was no need to kick locals out of their homes so you can ship in foreigners.

Also don’t separate Arab and Jew. There are Arab Jews and they lived alongside Palestinians for centuries. The land was lived in by Arabs and Europeans came in and kicked most of them out of half of their homelands.

Britain promised the Arabs (which had members of all three main abrahamic sects) that they could rule the land they lived in. Then after the war they promised some Europeans that they could have all of that territory. The analogy fits just fine.

So they came in you say? So it sounds like by your logic it doesn’t belong to them either, huh? Maybe we should track down the descendants of ancient Canaanites and give them the territory. After all the Israelites were pastoralists east of the levant before they moved into conquer the territory.

More manipulative framing. The Brit’s told Palestinians they could have their land. Then told European Jews they’d give them Palestinians land. A colonial empire took land from Palestinians to give to Europeans. And by “took from” I mean they removed people from their ancestral homes to move in colonists.

Palestinians were told to give up their homes to European immigrants and those immigrants were told they could only colonize half of Palestinian territory. That’s a compromise the same way taking one eye instead of letting you keep both is. I don’t care if you promised someone else both of my eyes, they aren’t your eyes to give away.

You having that perspective shows how incomplete your understanding is.

And it’s also interesting how obtuse you’re being with the definition of a genocide.

In Gaza, the 2 million inhabitants are kept under a multi decade siege where they’ve been forced into complete economic collapse. They lock down the borders so 95% of those prisoners can’t get the tech to clean water so have to suffer with disease ridden sludge. The average Gazan lives on two slices of bread per day. When extremists are hiding there the IDF will destroy all of their civilian infrastructure to get them with no care for how this will ruin the prisoners quality of life further. 60% of Gazans are 18 and under. I’ll say that again, Gazans are majority children at this point because Israel has killed so many of their parents (the vast majority not being Hamas members)

In the West Bank right wing settlers go out with IDF soldiers to gun down Palestinians and remove them from their homes. This is the region without Hamas by the way. This has also been happening longer than Gaza has been under siege, as the occupation of Gaza only became a siege when Hamas grew into power (with massive help from extremist Zionists in the Israeli government).

Just because they aren’t gassing them and setting up firing lines doesn’t mean they aren’t being slowly eradicated. Unlike the Nazis, they need good global pr to keep the billions of foreign investment flowing so of course they’re playing the optics game.

Israel is literally destroying Palestinian culture with their colonization and ruthless destruction. The Israeli Likud party is on record with their desire for a one state solution and how they propped up Hamas to make that solution more viable than the two state solution that Rabin and Arafat almost had in place before Zionists assassinated the Israeli Rabin to get Netanyahu in power.

I haven’t moved goalposts, you’re refusing to acknowledge their existence. A slow genocide is still a genocide, it just hides behind plausible deniability that people like you eat up uncritically. Much like China with the Uighurs.

Because that’s the reporting you’ve looked at. If you’re talking about the journalists they’ve sniped and bombed then yeah those were very intentional. Aside from that they very clearly don’t mind huge collateral when they strike Palestinian homes so in that respect, yes it’s very clearly indiscriminate.

This line of argument is curious though. Do you think that if their war crimes were deliberately done instead of indiscriminately would that absolve them in your mind?

Because all you’re doing is dancing around this human rights atrocity with semantics.

I just explained to you how it was known as that for centuries. Both the philistines and canaanites (of which the Jewish kingdoms grew from) lived in the area as part of the population.

They lived there at the same time, Jews weren’t first. You’re arrogant and wrong, the worst combo.

And you’re still hung up on nation states, the fact that ottomans conquered and ruled the Palestinians/Philistines doesn’t mean those people haven’t lived there constantly for centuries. The idea of a nation state didn’t exist until the 18th century. It has no bearing on whether a population should have self determination.

You also forget that in WW1 the British promised the Palestinians the entire territory for their assistance. So if frame it as Palestinians opposed the Brit’s changing the deal to move a bunch of Europeans into the territory they were promised. The west threw their resources secured through global empire to force this colony on the locals. Framing it as not resisting western colonization is deceptive and obfuscates the motives leadership expressed.

How would you deal with armed settlers kicking your family out of your home at gunpoint? Sounds like you don’t understand the situation in the West Bank, a location with negligible Hamas presence. Over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli settlers and IDF agents sent to help them enforce their colonization.

Gunning down journalists isn’t the “sad reality of war”. It’s an intentional war crime that also helps them control the narrative so people like you will get tricked into thinking the IDF isn’t a barbaric organization that kills indiscriminately.

The region was called philistia since the 10th century bc. Why are we so focused on the modern nation state, a concept that didn’t really exist until the last couple hundred years?

That land has always been referred to by their population. Philistia, land of the philistines. Then the name morphed into Palestine. It’s always been Palestine.

I’m glad you’ve decided that your culture being kicked out of your homes is no big deal. I’m sure the trail of tears is more of a trail of inconveniences in your opinion.

Keep downplaying genocide you dense jackass.

there’s more to genocide than just killing people

With no right to return it’s still a genocide. Hamas doesn’t exist in the West Bank and Israel still steals their homes and guns them down.

You’re so painfully naive.

Which is what they said. Israel refused negotiations.

There it is. Genocide advocation.

For once a comment where you aren’t cheering the extermination of children you seem evil. At least directly.