From the report page 65 Biden says:
"They didn't even know I have this" In reference to notes he knows he shouldn't have still
Then on page 77 biden says: "I didn't want to turn them in" again reference to notes he should not have retained.
These are both from audio recordings, so there is actually plenty of evidence to suggest he willfully retained classified docs he knew he shouldn't have.
From the report page 65 Biden says:
"They didn't even know I have this" In reference to notes he knows he shouldn't have still
Then on page 77 biden says: "I didn't want to turn them in" again reference to notes he should not have retained.
These are both from audio recordings, so there is actually plenty of evidence to suggest he willfully retained classified docs he knew he shouldn't have.
I'm assuming you didn't read the report before making this comment.
what? youre talking about the joemygod(dot)com article?
its pretty biased and if you read the pdf you can search for Zwonitzer: you can find tons of examples of biden bragging about having the classified material. So its pretty well-established that joe had the info and knew he had the info. so he broke the law.
they said they didn't think they had enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Its not the same thing, and if you read the report there are hundreds of pages of evidence, its not like they were short on evidence.
It seems to me the biggest factor in not charging him was actually his senility.
yeah, so the "level of crime" is debatable, but if I kill someone it would not be wrong to say "I broke the law" right?
Maybe it was justifiable, but it is up to a jury to determine guilt.
Really the essence of my question is: "are 'guilt' and 'breaking the law' seen as different things."
conversely, if a murderer got acquitted, but then indisputable proof that the were the murder came out afterwards, you would say, "he broke the law".
An overwhelming number of people seem to think that either intention or whether you were charged are relevant to the question here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/8298237
And who's to decide if the baseball bat was willfully thrown? The jury! You could still be charged with assault because 1000 people saw your bat hit someone in the face, so its 100% plausible to say you broke the law.
If the law says don't cross the line, and you accidentally cross the line, you broke the law, regardless of willfulness. Its up to a jury to decide if youre guilty
Its not like the police have an "accident detector" they roll up to the scene to determine if a law was broken.
There is sufficient evidence to say he broke the law, but there is insufficient evidence to say he did it with malicious intent. I think it's fair to say "he broke the law", you just can't say "he willfully broke the law"
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