TexMexBazooka @ TexMexBazooka @lemm.ee

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Also, not working out doesnt mean a dead cat. It meant she didnt like the taste of it

She actually did like the vegan kibble but she’s a majority wet food eater and didnt like the vegan wet food.

Pick one

Seconded, love lemm.ee

these foods have been around for a while and I’m not hearing about a mass die-off of indoor cats as a result,

Because the majority of people realize its a shitty idea

Ironically the only studies that seem to indicate its anything but terrible for the cats are funded/conducted by either pet food manufacturers, or Vegan organizations. Not there's even any actual decent studies done from what I've found.

In fact, cats fed a proper vegan diet tend to have better health: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10499249/

It actually never definitively says that in any of the studies mentioned... This particular study relies entirely on self reported results, with less than 10% of the sample sizes being fed a vegan diet, with no actual controls in place. It's a meaningless study. It honestly reads like a fluff piece where they collected some surveys from an already pro-vegan community. As we've seen from the rhetoric surrounding this situation some vegans will absolutely feed their pets inadequate food and feel good about themselves while doing it.

And the final nail in the coffin:

This research and its publication open access was funded by food awareness organisation ProVeg International (https://proveg.com).

Ahhh... there it is.

HAHAHAHA

Best most relevant meme so far, thank you.

I pulled the conclusions from the multiple papers that have been cited saying feeding cats a vegan diet is a shitty idea.

Every time that happens, someone pops up with another source that’s either highly questionable, or just outright doesn’t support their position.

This whole thing is a non argument

Good morning! I figured I’d pop in and see just how silly you made yourself look. Here we go:

heavy sigh

Vegans be reposting this link everywhere not realizing how silly it makes them look. First, one of the first points it makes is that there hasn’t been much research done into feeding cats vegan diets, mostly because it’s a bad idea.

Some great lines:

Cats on a high-protein vegetarian diet exhibited hypokalemia which accompanied recurrent polymyopathy. There was also increased creatinine kinase activity, likely reflecting the muscle damage caused by the myopathy, and reduced urinary potassium concentrations.

To simplify: even with protein supplements your cats muscles will decay over time.

showed that plasma taurine concentrations decreased by approximately 87% after only 2 weeks on a vegetarian diet (from 122 μmol/L to 16μmol/L). By the end of the 6-week study, there was no detectable taurine in plasma. Taurine concentrations were not different between the potassium-supplemented and non-supplemented groups, with both groups showing this substantial drop in taurine.

To simplify: Supplements didn’t work. Though findings are mixed between all like, 3 studies that tried

In cats fed vegetarian diets that were supplemented with potassium, a myopathy was seen within 2 weeks of the dietary change this was characterized by ventroflexion of the head and the neck. The cats also showed lateral head resting, a stiff gait, muscular weakness, unsteadiness, and the occasional tremor of the head and pinnae.

To simplify: your cat feels like shit and acts like they feel like shit

Weight loss and poor coat condition have also been observed in cats fed vegetarian diets. However, most cats in another study had a normal coat condition and no obviously diet-related clinical abnormalities picked up by clinical examination 27]. Clinical signs of lethargy with altered mentation, dysorexia, and muscle wasting, along with gut signs of bloating and increased borborygmi have also been observed 30].

Simplify: it was bad. Sometimes it wasn’t so bad, but lots of times it was bad and the owner should feel bad

I can keep going, literally every paragraph has some good “don’t fucking do that” material.

heavy sigh

Vegans be reposting this link everywhere not realizing how silly it makes them look. First, one of its big points is that there hasn’t been much research done into feeding cats vegan diets, mostly because it’s a bad idea.

Some great lines:

Cats on a high-protein vegetarian diet exhibited hypokalemia which accompanied recurrent polymyopathy. There was also increased creatinine kinase activity, likely reflecting the muscle damage caused by the myopathy, and reduced urinary potassium concentrations.

To simplify: even with protein supplements your cats muscles will decay over time.

showed that plasma taurine concentrations decreased by approximately 87% after only 2 weeks on a vegetarian diet (from 122 μmol/L to 16μmol/L). By the end of the 6-week study, there was no detectable taurine in plasma. Taurine concentrations were not different between the potassium-supplemented and non-supplemented groups, with both groups showing this substantial drop in taurine.

To simplify: Taurine supplements didn’t work. Though findings are mixed between all like, 3 studies that tried

In cats fed vegetarian diets that were supplemented with potassium, a myopathy was seen within 2 weeks of the dietary change this was characterized by ventroflexion of the head and the neck. The cats also showed lateral head resting, a stiff gait, muscular weakness, unsteadiness, and the occasional tremor of the head and pinnae.

To simplify: your car feels like shit and acts like they feel like shit

Weight loss and poor coat condition have also been observed in cats fed vegetarian diets. However, most cats in another study had a normal coat condition and no obviously diet-related clinical abnormalities picked up by clinical examination 27]. Clinical signs of lethargy with altered mentation, dysorexia, and muscle wasting, along with gut signs of bloating and increased borborygmi have also been observed 30].

Simplify: it was bad. Sometimes it wasn’t so bad, but lots of times it was bad and the owner should feel bad

I can keep going, literally every paragraph has some good “don’t fucking do that” material.

“But what about this biased source!”

Nah…. I did skim it though, and the conclusion doesn’t actually provide anything solid other than “regular commercial food also bad”

Really my take away from all of this to is to stop buying cat food and start bringing home rodents and birds for them to chow down on.

Bahahahahahaha

That’s a funny

What you’re talking about here are results of industrialization. The same can be said for capitalist countries during the Industrial Revolution.

Reading the website, the message is pretty clearly “don’t fucking do this but if you do you have to go to a professional.”

And your cat will still feel like shit

Another fun note, the only sources for that article are over 20 years old with the exception of one in like 2013 titled:

‘Homemade dog food recipes can be a risky business, study finds’ (15 July 2013)

…yyyeeeeaaaahhhh

That’s just how vegan communities operate from what I’ve seen

There’s whole instances where vegans can hold onto each other to make sure they don’t get blown over by a stiff breeze

You keep posting this but it doesn’t back up your stance at all really

Walk into a vet office and tell them you want your cat to eat a vegan diet and watch their eyes roll at the speed of sound out of their skull

I work towards better health for my pets by feeding them human grade meat. Happy?

I refuse to write more than a paragraph in response to this because it isn’t worth the effort, but you’re wrong, your own sources say you’re wrong, and if you’re truly concerned about animals well being make super sure you never own one.